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it was only an accident, and just to makes thing clear the "void post" has nothing to do with this post:

Originally posted by: Warbler
Originally posted by: Jedikev
you're a liar.

that was uncalled for.

Originally posted by: Shimraa
hey guess what warbler, the eagles suck.

you know who rock the pats, and you know it, thats why they one the superbowl, cause the eagles suck and the pats rock.


*shoots Shim*

Originally posted by: Shimraa
i hate it that ric is leaving



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Originally posted by: ricarleite


To me, Batman and Robin were just two guys who just shared this place together, they were doing some stuff with art and stuff, and they shared this place, and they were all part of the clubbing thing in Gotham City, were freqnently at the hottest spots in town, and they had a good relationship and were open minded and decided to experiment and stuff... So they did, and they do get together sometimes, at raves and stuff, but they don't consider themselves to be gay, Robin claims to be bisexual to some of his friends because he think it's cool to be it.


Ric. I find this very disturbing man. Batman is a grown man; Robin was a child. *Spasms* Therefore, for my sanity's sake, I'll hope you were joking.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
void post.


i thought you were spamming for a sec
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab

Ric. I find this very disturbing man. Batman is a grown man; Robin was a child. *Spasms* Therefore, for my sanity's sake, I'll hope you were joking.


OBVIOUSLY joking, and I meant it like Batman and Robin were the same age.
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Originally posted by: Mavimao
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
But it shouldn't have to be that way.

Guy: I believe in God.

Athiest: WELL YOU'RE EVIL AND SELFISH AND GOING TO HELL FOR IT!

Utterly ridiculous.



Now you're generalizing, which I understand is easy to do, but you should avoid this as much as possible. It only hurts your argument. But let me say that not all Athiests respond in caps wanting the demise of religious establisments. This is what really concerns them:

The Declaration of Independence says that first, "All Men are Created Equal" and the 1st amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

With that in mind, athiests find it unconstitutional that their money, made from the government, should have the phrase, "In God We Trust" and that they send their kids to schools, they paid with their own tax dollars, which make them swear an allegience to a body of government under a diety they don't believe exists. Imagine if we decide to replace the word "God" with "Allah" or "Jupiter"? After all, it's a question of semantics right? At least that seems to be the argument of more moderate conservatives and conservative democrats who argue that using "god" is not in reference to the Christian God, but to the idea of god that many cultures share.

But athiests don't believe in a diety at all! They believe they have the right to live in a country where one's religion is practiced at home/church/temples,etc.

As we all know there are a lot of gray areas when it comes to religion and politics in America, and people don't give up traditions easily. After all, our most famous holidays are based on Christian events: Christmas and Easter. So are we supposed to get rid of this? No.

Religion won't be razed in our government offices anytime soon, but its a philospohical question that deserves some thought on the issue.


None of our founding documents forbids the oft forgot second half of the "establishment" clause from being practiced in, on, or around public grounds or buildings, yet the secular establishment, using tax payer dollars and municipal funds to pay court fees, is continually assaulting religious people/groups/organizations on that particular issue. We now live in a society where children who try to read bibles during their free time in public schools have their bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage by school beaurocrats with a secular axe to grind. Yes, there are many grey areas, but let's be clear about who's at which end of the lash right now.

And the reason why Christmas and Easter will never be excised is because they've been stripped of all their Christian meaning, and secularized to the ground (Happy Holidays!). If they still had their original Chrisian conotations, they would cease to exist and the Gaia worshippers would rule the day even more so than they do now.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
What's right with Scrappy?

(Nothing, of course.)


Scooby Dumb Rules!!

For those of you who don't know, Scooby Dumb is Scooby Doo's idiot hick cousin...
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
It was just a joke; chill.

Anywho, Jedikev:

ROBIN ISN'T GAY.

'Nuff said.


To me, Batman and Robin were just two guys who just shared this place together, they were doing some stuff with art and stuff, and they shared this place, and they were all part of the clubbing thing in Gotham City, were freqnently at the hottest spots in town, and they had a good relationship and were open minded and decided to experiment and stuff... So they did, and they do get together sometimes, at raves and stuff, but they don't consider themselves to be gay, Robin claims to be bisexual to some of his friends because he think it's cool to be it.



Don't forget those long poles they used to slide up and down on on the TV show during the 60's...
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab

Ric. I find this very disturbing man. Batman is a grown man; Robin was a child. *Spasms* Therefore, for my sanity's sake, I'll hope you were joking.


OBVIOUSLY joking, and I meant it like Batman and Robin were the same age.


GOOD. Keep it that way.

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i hate it when hotmail goes down during a fuckin emergency
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Hey Andy did ya hear those pesky Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are comin' out in 2007 all CG!!!!
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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DARN IT!!!

Why can't they leave a perfectly good movie franchise dead!?!? The first two Turtles movies were FINE AS THEY ARE! We don't need another film relaunch! Wasn't making a new series enough?!

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Originally posted by: JediSage


None of our founding documents forbids the oft forgot second half of the "establishment" clause from being practiced in, on, or around public grounds or buildings, yet the secular establishment, using tax payer dollars and municipal funds to pay court fees, is continually assaulting religious people/groups/organizations on that particular issue. We now live in a society where children who try to read bibles during their free time in public schools have their bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage by school beaurocrats with a secular axe to grind. Yes, there are many grey areas, but let's be clear about who's at which end of the lash right now.

And the reason why Christmas and Easter will never be excised is because they've been stripped of all their Christian meaning, and secularized to the ground (Happy Holidays!). If they still had their original Chrisian conotations, they would cease to exist and the Gaia worshippers would rule the day even more so than they do now.



Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.

The First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To me, this says that people can practice their religion on public property but the government can't get involved in it. So although you have the right to pray to the god of the your choice while on school property, School officals can't lead a prayer or have an offical school prayer. Which means reading the Bible on your own free time, say at lunch is perfectly O.K.

About the "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. Tell me, would the Government be allowed to change the words to "In God We Do Not
Trust", and "One Nation Not Under God"? If the Government can't print on our money "In God We Do Not Trust", why can the Goverment print on our money "In God We Trust"? By allowing "In God We Trust" and disallowing "In God We Do Not Trust" The Government is imho, establishing a religous belief. Which is outlawed by the 1st Amendment.
Same goes for the pledge.

One last thing, alot of people say the 1st Amendment only gives freedom of religion and not freedom from religion. I ask, how can you have true freedom of religion without having freedom from religion?

btw: I am not an Athiest, I am a Protestant. Although I'm sure some of my beliefs go against my Church's beliefs.
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Originally posted by: Warbler

Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.


Actually, I've heard about that one too. Really freaky story... the teacher must have been having a REALLY bad day, because she grabbed the Bibles from the students and threw them in the trash saying something like "This is garbage; it will rot your minds."

Really weird story... I think the teacher got fired for it... I hope.

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Originally posted by: Warbler
Originally posted by: JediSage


None of our founding documents forbids the oft forgot second half of the "establishment" clause from being practiced in, on, or around public grounds or buildings, yet the secular establishment, using tax payer dollars and municipal funds to pay court fees, is continually assaulting religious people/groups/organizations on that particular issue. We now live in a society where children who try to read bibles during their free time in public schools have their bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage by school beaurocrats with a secular axe to grind. Yes, there are many grey areas, but let's be clear about who's at which end of the lash right now.

And the reason why Christmas and Easter will never be excised is because they've been stripped of all their Christian meaning, and secularized to the ground (Happy Holidays!). If they still had their original Chrisian conotations, they would cease to exist and the Gaia worshippers would rule the day even more so than they do now.


Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.

It's obvious that your reaction temporarily prevented you from doing a Google search:

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The First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

To me, this says that people can practice their religion on public property but the government can't get involved in it. So although you have the right to pray to the god of the your choice while on school property, School officals can't lead a prayer or have an offical school prayer. Which means reading the Bible on your own free time, say at lunch is perfectly O.K.


So, in other words, anyone who assumes public office or works in government automatically abbrogates their right to the free exercise of religion? Must they now take a vow of official atheism prior to taking the position? I'm sorry, I'm just looking for that part of the amendment...I work at a non-profit that receives state funds. Guess I'd better be careful when someone sneezes of saying God Bless You.

About the "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. Tell me, would the Government be allowed to change the words to "In God We Do Not
Trust", and "One Nation Not Under God"? If the Government can't print on our money "In God We Do Not Trust", why can the Goverment print on our money "In God We Trust"? By allowing "In God We Trust" and disallowing "In God We Do Not Trust" The Government is imho, establishing a religous belief. Which is outlawed by the 1st Amendment.
Same goes for the pledge.


Personally, I don't care what my money says, as long as I can spend it. However, you need to keep in mind that our money is printed by the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank, not a government agency. A matter of semantics, yes, but a crucial one.

One last thing, alot of people say the 1st Amendment only gives freedom of religion and not freedom from religion. I ask, how can you have true freedom of religion without having freedom from religion?


I find it odd that we need to oppress freedom in order to attain it, however, I'll bite:

The same can be said of almost anything in the bill of rights. How can we have freedom of the press without the right to control it? For example, the reporter just put in jail for not revealing their sources in a criminal investigation. Here's a link so I don't get accused of fabricating that example to support my point: Reporter

Soon that excuse will be used to drive the crosses from church tops, or the stars from temples on main street in the local towns so that the "include it, or exclude it" crowd, along with the atheists won't have to see them while driving on a public street. I actually had someone tell me that once (a blazing leftist/atheist) that he should be free from "religiosity" while driving on public roads (unfortunately I was unable to get this on video so your just going to have to trust that I didn't fabricate that example).

Keep in mind that appeasing all faiths via a position of no faith is just as much of a philosophy as any religion. By definition it's excluding the people who believe and practice their faiths.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: Warbler

Ok, I have never heard of any children having their Bibles siezed and thrown in the garbage. That was an unneeded exaggeration. One thing I hate when people use obvious
exaggerations to support their argument.


Actually, I've heard about that one too. Really freaky story... the teacher must have been having a REALLY bad day, because she grabbed the Bibles from the students and threw them in the trash saying something like "This is garbage; it will rot your minds."

Really weird story... I think the teacher got fired for it... I hope.


It is truly a frightening time for people of faith...well, at least for Christians. That story is but one example of the new persecution that is happening everywhere.
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To get back on topic, I hate: The prevelant notion in most science fiction that an unarmed/peaceful planet (read: Victims) will somehow be protected by this altruistic ideal. For example: Princess Leia: "No, Alderran is peaceful, we have no weapons" *bang*
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Can you give another example?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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looks like stupidshadow.com has been taking out again.
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Can you give another example?


Pretty much any Star Trek series was loaded with them. I know you're not really a Trek fan, but there was an episode in the original in which the crew were sent to a parallel/evil universe. In the episode, they were trying to get a special mineral from this planet that of course, had divulged itself of their weapons, so they were immediately a target for this empire.

In Trek: TNG, there were multiple episodes, for example in the episode "Devil's Due" they go out of their way to show how the planet had no weapons, and of course someone was there wreaking havoc all over the place.

There are instances of it in Babylon 5 as well. Of course, each one of these shows has something in common: The peaceful "unified" governments (usually with white and blue flags) of their respective shows arrive to save the day, and everything's cool as long as they're the only ones who are armed. Please, oh please...
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0. Just finding this thread and having to skip from pages 16-115 so I can get back to work.
1. AIM sounds being played loudly on a persons computer when your in a public room and not realize it's annoying to other people. I also dislike other IM sounds being played loudly, but I really hate AIM sounds being played loudly. Can't they use better sounds? I wish there were a predetermined setting on your sound card so if your listening through speakers to music and such AIM & IM sounds wouldn't play so loudly and they would only play loudly if you want through head phones.
2. Spyware. Can't list Viruses as I've never gotten one, but have had a ton of spyware. I seriously believe people who create spyware & viruses who are caught should face full prosecution from the law and have their lives ruined and thrown in jail. Spam can be put into this group as well, but at least spam can be managed.
3. Ozzy's music, disco, gangster rap, and country music.
4. Fox cancelling Dark Angel, Firefly.
5. The X-Files's last 3 seasons and their series ending, the show deserved better and I want a conclusion to the alien conspiracy.
6. How big reality show's have become and stupid people watching them.
7. College football not having a playoff system and the BCS system.
8. Joe Paterno staying on too long and dragging Penn State's football program down into the gutters.
9. These stupid little lizards that are everywhere (& I hate especially when they get in your house) in the state of Florida.
10. Hurricanes and other natural disasters (but I hate hurricanes especially since I live in south FL).
11. Dial up.
12. George Lucass' yes men.
13. George Lucass for having no respect for the OOT and not realeasing it on DVD in prestine format.
14. Paying bills, taxes, car insurance, health insurance, dental insurance and such. The only thing I think Canada has on us is the universal health care system.
15. The state of FL for being stupid and f'ing up the election and electing Bush.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
DARN IT!!!

Why can't they leave a perfectly good movie franchise dead!?!? The first two Turtles movies were FINE AS THEY ARE! We don't need another film relaunch! Wasn't making a new series enough?!


what about the third? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108308/
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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I hate that the general star wars section of this forum has gotten really lame lately.

War does not make one great.

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Well, there isn't much to talk about, what with all the movies being over, so the newbies go on and on about the same old arguments over and over.

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