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Ronster
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Info: Star Wars - What is wrong and what is right... Goodbye Magenta
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2-Jun-2018, 5:12 AM

poita said:

Ronster said:

No my screen is fine… Let me explain. Honestly I find it interesting no hijacking.

This is the version that was on TV I do remember it vividly. I recorded this on Betamax and I just used to watch it over and over again and If I could not watch it on Betamax then I used to have an old maxwell 90 audio tape with the audio of the film on It I used to take about with a Battery powered tape deck.

So I guess what I am trying to say is this is the version I remember vividly but it was prepared a little different but it’s for want of a better word the same thing.

But the levels on the clips look like they are different. and not the right contrast, contrast much higher.

What I have been trying to do is re-create the look I remember off the TV, that version I remember. But I must admit The whole twin suns is an oddity and I am more and more sure there are 2 versions of the scene now.

Now I seen the next part where they are running this part looks fine… Seems like it has brightness issues, if you compare it to the bit where R2-D2 cross the corridor this part is perfect.

On dealing with that part in the Blu-ray was having to drop the high levels to near zero on one shot, it’s over accentuated the blu-ray or 2004. So it’s more of an inherrant problem for that part than a problem with your footage. Not your fault but it’s salvageable from what you have not in the Blu-ray though.

There is a version where the sparks around the Door are yellow and the flashes are yellow but it’s more de-saturated and this was what was on UK TV back in the day.

Ah, so a recording of the UK television broadcast that you recorded onto Betamax?
I have the U-Matic broadcast tapes here that the television stations used. I must get around to capturing them one day, it would be interesting to see what the colour is like on them.

Basically it’s like the clip here on the VHS cap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5qNMAM2dzg

But this is what I have been trying to describe, although it’s not the same and it’s not the right saturation it’s different for the flashes as you can see.

Basically what I am describing you will find something akin to what I am talking about on those tapes 😃

If those flashes were indeed purposefully done pink perhaps the UK TV uses a Raw take or un-touched.

You could probably lump the sunset shot in the same category Raw take also. But I don’t think this was on the original Betamax Broadcast I had I think it was later on this one surface similar to the release date on the Technidisc so it could be a 1990’s thing but the technicolor print has no purple on the suns on there own and the Blu-ray is the same no purple it looks like it wants to be the Raw take more than the purple version. So it must have been a new print they struck perhaps?

I remember both purple and red versions.

Manually matched Laserschwertz image closer to Technidisc.

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frank678 said:

msycamore said:

Baronlando said:

frank678 said:

Looking at the comparison shots between the GOUT and Technidisc, the GOUT looks almost like its been bleached. Is this a combination of fade and DVNR or are there other factors involved?

I was wondering if that source was turning yellow and then correcting that ended up making it kind of blah?

My DVD transfers poor white balance also contributes to making it look more yellow than the actual LD really is. I actually think the elements used was turning pink/red at this point, the telecine operator may have tried to counter this with a bit of yellow and green.

Here are a couple of frames from the 1992 VHS

http://i.imgur.com/cAYrX.png

http://i.imgur.com/GQZFw.png

If you scroll back to You_Too’s Technidisc/Gout comparisons of these two shots the VHS frames seems to fall exactly inbetween the two. It hasnt got the yellow saturation of the Technidisc (ignoring what the capture distorted for one second) but it hasnt turned as pink/red as Gout.

This is how the 1992 VHS looks on a TV screen (taken with the camera on a mobile phone) followed by how it looks from video to computer to give you an idea of the transfer change.

http://i.imgur.com/QCYO1.png

http://i.imgur.com/I8Pyj.png

Yellow & pink / red flashes in trailer for 1993 Release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riipp7KLfO4

This is grade then for 1993 Master? Blue Gamma issues.