Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 758

I kind of agree with Mrebo. Like I said about Crowder, and I consider him an extreme example in the sense that I don’t think he has ever contributed anything valuable to anything regarding either media or humanity. I wouldn’t shed a single tear if his face melted off his head live on camera like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, but I don’t want Youtube to bar him from making content, not because I care about his content (I wouldn’t miss it) but the precedent affects others. And I might care about some of those others.

Kathy Griffin is one that conservatives wanted to basically be erased from American society. I think she’s the least funny person alive, possibly, but I don’t want her to be shut down because she’s too offensive.

moviefreakedmind said:

As for mrebo, no one is cutting off the right, they’re bigger than ever on Youtube and just want to play the victim like they always do.

Yes, people on the right are being cut off. It’s not “playing victim” when powerful media corporations shut out people based on their political views. Sometimes people are denied a platform (such as twitter shadow banning conservatives) and its also on revenue.

Youtube is censoring anyone that is a corporate outlet including many leftists.

Examples? And doesn’t that bother you?

I’ll give you another example of someone even shittier than Roseanne, Steven Crowder. Crowder made a disgusting video claiming that AIDS was never an epidemic and that research money is wasted because most people that die of AIDS are gay. Crowder is a disgusting pile of dishonest shit and I hate him, but I don’t want him to get removed from YouTube for not representing Youtube’s values. That’s a little different because Crowder’s show is a propaganda outlet and Roseanne’s was actually a real show and her offensive comments were made outside of the show, but again, these are just more examples of the media sucking and being terrible.

Well then we seem to agree.

People that are far dumber than Roseanne surround us already. They’re your neighbors, they’re your coworkers, they’re your family, although they actually have no redeeming qualities while Roseanne actually has at least one.

Did you give that speech at the last BBQ you attended?

So ultimately, I don’t care. Again, this is just going to lead to these dying TV corporations aligning with people that they suspect won’t do anything remotely offensive, and that’s going to lead to safer programming, and as we all know safe programming sucks horribly and is unwatchable dogshit.

I’ve been watching Blue Bloods, surprisingly watchable.

I just think, that with the exponentially increasing ability for stupid people to say stupid things in a louder voice atop a higher soapbox, it is unwise to assume that they are all just words and have no impact on others. I don’t want these people to have an audience. All they do is add further decay to the culture. You guys might say (and have said) that just because I don’t like something, that doesn’t mean it should be censored for all. Okay, granted that. But I don’t think just because we have freedom of speech, that inherently gives such speech any value.

I’m just tired of people of influence having a whole field of f*cks to give that is perpetually barren regarding how they negatively impact those who respect and listen to them.

Sure Cosby’s actions are unquestionably vile. But to say that people who say the things that (for example) Alex Jones says are lesser crimes because they are not physically destructive nor overtly psychologically destructive—to say that, overlooks how powerful words can be when they come from the mouths of the right people.

So no, I do not give talented people a pass for being shit just because they contribute something to the arts.

DominicCobb said:

Roseanne is straight up racist.

I don’t know. She said something racist. I don’t know if that makes her racist. She actually had an episode about unconscious racism where she called out white people for unwittingly judging black people. Like I said in that list, you’d have to get rid of Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, and a ton of others if you judge people by one stupid statement.

chyron8472 said:

I just think, that with the exponentially increasing ability for stupid people to say stupid things in a louder voice atop a higher soapbox, it is unwise to assume that they are all just words and have no impact on others. I don’t want these people to have an audience. All they do is add further decay to the culture. You guys might say (and have said) that just because I don’t like something, that doesn’t mean it should be censored for all. Okay, granted that. But I don’t think just because we have freedom of speech, that inherently gives such speech any value.

It doesn’t inherently give any speech value. 99% of what people have to say is already devoid of any value. No one is saying Roseanne’s tweet is valuable. As for our culture, it’s already decayed. Our culture is dogshit. It’s full of stupid and ignorant people that are convinced they’re smart when they’re not and it’s full of dogshit shows and dogshit movies and dogshit “music” and dogshit everything else. Most commentary from all sides is insipid trash. No one ever wants to do or say anything exciting. Culture is decayed. It’s beyond decay and it always has been. I hate cultures. I’m so sick of people talking about culture and how important it is or how it’s in danger or it’s decaying. It sucks and it always has.

I’m just tired of people of influence having a whole field of f*cks to give that is perpetually barren regarding how they negatively impact those who respect and listen to them.

I don’t really care how people are affected by tweets that barely anyone saw or cared about until it got blown up in the media.

Sure Cosby’s actions are unquestionably vile. But to say that people who say the things that (for example) Alex Jones says are lesser crimes because they are not physically destructive nor overtly psychologically destructive—to say that, overlooks how powerful words can be when they come from the mouths of the right people.

They are lesser crimes because they aren’t raping people. (I’m really tired of people pretending that words = actions. People did the same in response to Kathy Griffin.) Alex Jones is a criminal for all of his libel and slander and selling false-hope drugs. He’s also destructive because he makes his living off of lying. And he has no talent.

So no, I do not give talented people a pass for being shit just because they contribute something to the arts.

I don’t “give them a pass.” I just don’t want to sacrifice the things they make that I like because they said something stupid.

SilverWook said:

Roseanne has more than one stupid statement.

So has everyone else.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Roseanne is straight up racist.

I don’t know. She said something racist. I don’t know if that makes her racist.

Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks.

Jeebus said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

As for mrebo, no one is cutting off the right, they’re bigger than ever on Youtube and just want to play the victim like they always do.

Yes, people on the right are being cut off. It’s not “playing victim” when powerful media corporations shut out people based on their political views.

Except that’s not what’s happening, at least in Youtube’s case. Youtube is demonetizing a great many people, not all of them are conservative or even political commentators at all. Left-wing commentators, gun channels, “reaction” channels, gaming channels, it’s happening across the board.

I have a problem with youtube’s demonetizing in general. I am more familiar with people on the right being targeted (and I’d include gun channels in that), but I am also aware of youtube discriminating against reaction & gaming channels for swearing (or extreme antics). But I’m not just talking youtube.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Roseanne is straight up racist.

I don’t know. She said something racist. I don’t know if that makes her racist.

Of course it does.

I disagree. Plenty of people say stupid things they don’t mean. I’m sure you’ve said something racist before. I have. We’re not racist. Even if she is, her work isn’t and is the opposite of racist, so why does it matter? I care so much more about actions than words, especially when dealing with crazy people. I use the same line of reasoning when people claim to be liberals but do nothing but make excuses for the right and platform almost exclusively right-wing people, like Dave Rubin typically does. In that case, actions speak louder to me than words do.

She actually had an episode about unconscious racism where she called out white people for unwittingly judging black people.

That doesn’t make her not racist (she isn’t even a writer on the recent season).

It definitely means that her big contributions to society aren’t racist.

DominicCobb said:

Roseanne’s been a fucking loon for a long time:
https://www.vox.com/2018/5/29/17406014/roseanne-racism-abc-trump-twitter

No one claims that she isn’t. She’s totally crazy and has been for at least a decade. ABC knew that full well, I’m sure.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Jeebus said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

As for mrebo, no one is cutting off the right, they’re bigger than ever on Youtube and just want to play the victim like they always do.

Yes, people on the right are being cut off. It’s not “playing victim” when powerful media corporations shut out people based on their political views.

Except that’s not what’s happening, at least in Youtube’s case. Youtube is demonetizing a great many people, not all of them are conservative or even political commentators at all. Left-wing commentators, gun channels, “reaction” channels, gaming channels, it’s happening across the board.

I have a problem with youtube’s demonetizing in general. I am more familiar with people on the right being targeted (and I’d include gun channels in that), but I am also aware of youtube discriminating against reaction & gaming channels for swearing (or extreme antics). But I’m not just talking youtube.

. . . and making light of suicide (including footage of a dead body).

People make light of suicide every day, and that includes the ignorant people behind a lot of the anti-suicide campaigns, which are usually really insulting and obviously come from people privileged enough to not want to kill themselves. Footage of a dead body is the farthest thing in the world from “making light of suicide.” Logan Paul is a piece of shit by the way, I don’t deny that, but he’s a piece of shit for monetizing an issue he obviously doesn’t care about, not for showing a dead body. 13 Reasons Why is another thing that people claimed made light of suicide when it obviously didn’t.

There’s an argument to be made too that Youtube is a private company and can decide who makes money on their site or not as they please.

That’s an argument that only works against conservative voices in the debate. I don’t believe that giant platforms like Youtube should dictate who can and can’t speak on them. They’re too integral to society these days. As for advertisers, that’s a different story, but in terms of who can and can’t speak, I think it should basically operate how the 1st amendment does.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Roseanne is straight up racist.

I don’t know. She said something racist. I don’t know if that makes her racist. She actually had an episode about unconscious racism where she called out white people for unwittingly judging black people. Like I said in that list, you’d have to get rid of Elvis Costello, Lou Reed, and a ton of others if you judge people by one stupid statement.

I watched the reboot and the Yemeni/Muslim neighbor episode was the best one in my opinion. Anyone who called it racist or Islamophobic completely missed the point. And never mind that there are regular cast members on the show who are black, so calling Roseanne racist or the show racist implies that these cast members don’t know enough to make their own decisions about who they work with, which is condescending.

One of the reasons for the show’s popularity is that it represents how American families not drowning in PC culture actually talk in their private lives. Lots of people have weird ideas about other people, but that doesn’t mean they’re malicious in their intent or full-on racist.

However, everyone should know by now that comparing people with dark skin to apes has racist connotations (which is why it’s silly that some on the right are calling out Bill Maher for comparing Trump to an orangutan…it’s not the same thing). You just don’t do it.

Totally agree. Bill Maher by the way is another person who’s made reprehensible statements, his condoning statutory rape. I don’t want his work shut down for such bullshit either. I’m pretty consistent on this.

Jeebus said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

As for mrebo, no one is cutting off the right, they’re bigger than ever on Youtube and just want to play the victim like they always do.

Yes, people on the right are being cut off. It’s not “playing victim” when powerful media corporations shut out people based on their political views.

The right isn’t being cut off any more than the left is being cut off. Youtube is demonetizing a great many people, left-wing commentators, gun channels, “reaction” channels, gaming channels, it’s happening across the board.

Yeah, they’re demonetizing everyone. The right is just pretending to be the only ones. I know of many left-wing channels, some are my favorite on Youtube, that are being demonetized on 100% of their videos.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Jeebus said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

As for mrebo, no one is cutting off the right, they’re bigger than ever on Youtube and just want to play the victim like they always do.

Yes, people on the right are being cut off. It’s not “playing victim” when powerful media corporations shut out people based on their political views.

Except that’s not what’s happening, at least in Youtube’s case. Youtube is demonetizing a great many people, not all of them are conservative or even political commentators at all. Left-wing commentators, gun channels, “reaction” channels, gaming channels, it’s happening across the board.

I have a problem with youtube’s demonetizing in general. I am more familiar with people on the right being targeted (and I’d include gun channels in that), but I am also aware of youtube discriminating against reaction & gaming channels for swearing (or extreme antics). But I’m not just talking youtube.

Extreme antics is an interesting way to describe racial slurs, anti-semitic language, and making light of suicide (including footage of a dead body). Amongst other things.

Those are extreme examples but I didn’t intend my phrasing to be comprehensive in any event.

There’s an argument to be made too that Youtube is a private company and can decide who makes money on their site or not as they please.

You don’t see me advocating legislation. Doesn’t mean I need to accept whatever a private company does. In fact, I can go on a Star Wars fan site and gripe about it! When major corporations seek to enforce restrictions on speech that should be cause for concern.