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What about you? The moment when you "divorced" from the Lucas policy about SW?

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What was the moment when you “divorced” from the Lucas policy about SW?
Personally,i hate the 97 SE,i was disapointed by the prequels, but it’s the dvds that made me go:“Oh! F… you,George!! That’s it! you’ve lost a fan!!!”

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LucASS has just well ruined everything. May he die a painful death.
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The Star Wars trilogy had just become sorta a fond memory for me prior to the '97 SE's. I had bought the Definitve laserdisc set which satisfied me at the time but when the SE's came out I started to worry. And then the rumblings that the OT 'didn't exist' anymore started from GL and I assumed he had fallen over the proverbial edge.

Then the PT. Saw 'em all in the theater on opening day, gave them chances, liked 'em less and less. And now here we are.
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And then the rumblings that the OT 'didn't exist' anymore started from GL and I assumed he had fallen over the proverbial edge.


yeah, i remember the commercials for the '95 THX remastered release: "for the last time in its original version!!!"
I still can't believe they mean it...


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I still watch the new theatrical release films with some semblance of excitement, so I guess I'm not entirely divorced from the Evil Empire.

However, in terms of the OT, it would have to be in 1998 when the SEs were released on VHS. When the SEs came out in theaters, I was too excited about being able to see them again on the big screen to care about the changes. In fact, many of them didn't even register with my brain (unless blatantly obvious like Jabba in ANH). However, when I got the VHS set and watched the first movie again, I realized how much changed and decided I didn't care for them and was consequently upset about GL having done them this way.
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I said goodbye to anything new regarding Star Wars in 1983. Return Of The Jedi was so bad, that I knew back then that the first two films were all I would ever care to see. Of all that has been done since, I've only seen Phantom Menace. I decided to give him one more chance. That's seven dollars I wish I had back.

No big deal really. I can watch the original version of the first film whenever I want and I listen to the original soundtrack several times a year. That's all I need, so I'm happy. Fact is, I haven't seen Empire Strikes Back in about 6 years.

Star Wars circa 1977 is all I'm really interested in.
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I still watch the new theatrical release films with some semblance of excitement, so I guess I'm not entirely divorced from the Evil Empire.

However, in terms of the OT, it would have to be in 1998 when the SEs were released on VHS. When the SEs came out in theaters, I was too excited about being able to see them again on the big screen to care about the changes. In fact, many of them didn't even register with my brain (unless blatantly obvious like Jabba in ANH). However, when I got the VHS set and watched the first movie again, I realized how much changed and decided I didn't care for them and was consequently upset about GL having done them this way.

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Around 1998, when I learned that the SE would replace the O-OT forever.
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Funny thing is, growing up I loved GL and SW, but after the SEs and the PT I dislike what Lucas has become but I've grown to appreciate the OT in a different manner- not more exactly but differently. Still good though.
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I wonder, if he abandons the original original, doe sthat mean he as abandoned the copyright to it as well?

If so I have the perfect method of protest:

Openly and publicly sell pirated DVDs and tell Lucas, publicly, that he is a detestable snake who has lost his artistic vision.

If he tries to call the cops, cite statements that effectively negate his claims to the OOT "they dont exist anymore" etc. Also, remind the police that you are protesting and that it is your right and start writing down badge numbers.

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Fine, mister Lucas, while you're at it why dont you replace Lando with will smith?
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When the 97 SE came out I was pissed. Then the prequels came out and I didn't really like them either. When the 2004 DVD's came out I just seemed to not care anymore. I kinda liked star wars again. For the first time sense 97 I was happy just to be watching star wars again.

So I don't think I really care either way any more. Don't get me wrong though. I would love to see the OT on DVD rather than what we got but I'm just as happy these days to watch either.

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When greedo shot first.
He big in nothing important in good elephant.

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I was originally excited when the special editions came out. When they were released on video, I finally realized what the "One Last Time..." tagline in 1995 had meant. It didn't bother me at the time, but when DVD became popular, and I learned that VHS deteriorates, therefore rendering a lot of the original versions (including my own) on the track to death, I got worried. The prequels had me torn throughout their run. I'd be excited to see them, and I'd enjoy them for the most part, but I couldn't get over the continuity errors and the fact that they just weren't as good (hoping that the next one would explain what seemed so strange in the current one). It wasn't until 2004 when I learned that, not only would these releases be even more drastically altered than the '97 ones, and that Lucas was denying the existance of the originals that I finally gave up on him. I'd already preordered them, though. Besides, by that point, I had already made up my mind that I was against any filmmaker tampering with his work.

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May he die a painful death.


Yunno, if I wished death on another forum member here, you think I'd skate with not so much as a WORD in response? And yet the guy who MAKES the movies gets a death wish placed on his head every month and no one says a thing.

Odd.

I began to realize Star Wars films were just movies right around 94 or 95. They're fun as hell, but they weren't able to stand up under the weight of all the pop culture importance that had been ladled on its shoulders. The SE's had quite a few questionable decisions, and that sealed it. The overreaction to those decisions slammed the door and threw nails in it. It became less fun, and what WAS still fun had shifted into something different. For a lot of people online, the focus of online discussions about Star Wars isn't so much to actually DISCUSS Star Wars, it's to assert oneself by way of the movie discussion medium. There's a common ground that people share, and using that common ground, they can wield conversation in a manner that doesn't really draw attention to the movie, but draws attention to their arguments and their argument style.

And for a lot of people, that's fun. It's not ALL of it, but it's gotten to be an increasingly larger part.

But that's right around when I realized the luster was off the paint job, and the new car smell had gone sour
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I soured on Lucas after EP 1 came out.
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Originally posted by: Bossk
When the SEs came out in theaters, I was too excited about being able to see them again on the big screen to care about the changes. In fact, many of them didn't even register with my brain (unless blatantly obvious like Jabba in ANH).

Ditto for me. And I assumed I'll be able later to watch (VHS/DVD/etc.) either OT or SE version, whatever I choose...

So for me the shock came with Episode I. I realized that Lucas' train must be off the right track...
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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If it was not for the SE I would have never have seen star wars at the theater. I was only one when ROTJ came out in theaters. Then for many years all I watch was ROTJ recorded of HBO. So I am very glad that lucas came out with the SE!
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In a lot of ways, I've 'divorced' myself in that I separate the films. I can enjoy the OOT as a standalone experience, but also I-VI in a different way. I will never pair up the original Star Wars with the Prequels, but I will pair them up with the SE's as they exist on DVD.

I think a lot of the time people cling to their memories and experiences a little too strong.
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"And yet the guy who MAKES the movies gets a death wish placed on his head every month and no one says a thing."

That's because everyone else here understands that this is simply someone venting frustration, and Lucas is in no real imminent danger.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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...and Lucas is in no real imminent danger.

So, can you tell me where Mangler Bros.(c) are right now?
I saw the original theatrical release of the Old Trilogy on the big screen and I'm proud of it...
How did I accomplish that (considering my age) is my secret...
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That's because everyone else here understands that this is simply someone venting frustration,


But that's not really the point, is it. There's not really any excuse for wishing anyone dead at any time. Especially over something as ultimately minor as a movie. Whether said in jest or "frustration" or not. the fact someone would get THAT frustrated as to wish someone's death over it is entirely more disturbing than either someone saying "I like the SE's better than the originals." or "I re-edited all the movies to better fit my personal vision."

But yet the fiercest, meanest, most personal arguments will break out over those two lines. And no one says anything about "I wish he was dead." at all. As a matter of fact, I guarantee that if he said "I wish MeBeJedi would just fucking DIE." there would be a banning rather swiftly. But since he said "I wish George Lucas would die" he gets a pass.

There's something wrong with that, and something wrong with making excuses for it. It doesn't fit on a board where the posters seem to take great pride in how different they are from other websites. If you guys think you're better than that, (and it's obvious most of you do) you really need to BE better than that instead of writing off and making excuses for some of the dumbest shit said on a Star Wars board.
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"But that's not really the point, is it."

No, it *is* the point. You just want to turn it into something else, for whatever reason. This is not an excuse - I simply understand the intent behind his post. It helps when you actually get to know the people on the board you are posting on.

"As a matter of fact, I guarantee that if he said "I wish MeBeJedi would just fucking DIE." there would be a banning rather swiftly."

As a matter of fact, it wouldn't - though I'm sure you would take more offense from it than I would.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I'm not trying to turn it into something else, man, you are. I'm saying EXACTLY what it is. I'm sorta surprised you, of all people, are trying to defend it like you are. What you're saying is that wishing death on someone doesn't mean anything if they don't have the means to kill them. That's an entirely shallow point of view, besides which, as absurd as it might sound, you have no idea if this wackjob doesn't have the means or the will to do it. It's the internet, man. There's plenty of cases where people talking dirt on the net have ended up ACTUALLY DOING it. For instance--the guy who just kidnapped, molested and killed a child in Idaho.

Yes, this dude is more than likely 100 percent NOT going to do it. Yes, he's just venting. But it's a very low thing to say, even if venting, and excusing it because you happen to not like the guy he's wishing death upon is just weak sauce, man. There's really no way around it. It's not because I don't understand where he's coming from, or the people in this forum. I've lurked for a long time, I can tell who's posting what without having to read their username.

And I HAVE had death (and worse) wished upon me. I don't take it personally--but I do make a mental note not to take anything that person ever says later even remotely seriously. I sure as hell don't make excuses for him, even if I know he doesn't REALLY mean it. But maybe he does. If Lucas got hit with a car tomorrow, and that guy applauded his death, (as it appears he would) would you still stick up for him because he hangs out in a tight knit forum? Would you explain away his irrational, destructive and wholly mean-spirited comments simply because you think it was awful that Greedo shot first? Can't you see how that's a pretty thin reason to let something that screwed up slide?

It wouldn't be as big a deal if this board didn't pride itself on the quality of its posters so often. It's hard to take such claims seriously when you're eager to sweep something as stupid as "I hope he dies a horrible, painful death" under the rug without even so much as an eye-roll.

And it's very disingenuous to say that there wouldn't be at the LEAST a public ass-reaming if someone traipsed into one of your threads, said "MeBe should die a painful death," if not a banning depending on what admin or moderator stumbled across it. You can say it wouldn't bother you, but the close-knit community everyone prides themselves on ASSURES that other people would take him to task for you.

Be real about it, man. it's alright to admit that wishing death on someone for "screwing up" some fantasy movies is a bullshit move. There's plenty of other ways to express dissatisfaction than having to stoop that low. I know for a fact YOU'VE never done it, so there's gotta be a reason for that, right?

[edit - just noticed I posted this at 11:38. That's a sign, I think ]
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I've been reading The Bizzle's posts both on this thread and the MagFan on MF.com thread, and I've been rather reluctant to voice my opinion because I'm still rather straddling the line. Whether or not I agree with it, he has been expressing a very interesting viewpoint that I've been enjoying reading over the past few days.

The Bizzle, you're right. Wishing death on someone just because they made movies we don't happen to like (or changed movies we did like to something we didn't like) is rather immature. And if George Lucas did die tomorrow, and someone on these boards made a crack about it, I'd be one of the first people to let him know he's acting in very bad taste, even though I'm not happy about what George has done.

Still, I don't think that anyone here seriously wishes death on George Lucas. It's possible that I'm wrong. I've only been posting here for a little over a month, but most people say things in jest that they don't mean. If a thread pops up entitled "The Plan to Kill LucASS" or something like that, then it's time to worry. For nearly a decade now, ever since things like school shootings started to pop up, making jokes about death threats, etc. have become very taboo. And since 9/11, they have really become more important. There is a point to it, but I really think that it's just a little innocent fun over here.

I think this is one of the first times I've seen anyone list death threats to anybody, either real or joking, so it's not some urgent problem. I really think the most worst Lucas-bashing anyone does here is that inane "LucASS" nickname. I'm going to kill the next person who says LucASS!

P.S. Please note the winking emoticon that clearly implies that I am just joking and, therefore, should not be banned/arrested/lynched. If some calamity does befall the next person who uses the term LucASS, Lance "Gaffer Tape" takes no responsibility.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I like the disclaimer

And thanks for posting that. I appreciate it. I believe that's the point MeBe was REALLY trying to make, but MeBe and I tend to disagree a lot so sometimes things get lost in the sauce.
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