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What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 46

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A good person, a trusted colleague or friend, a stand-up guy.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Can somebody explain to me what’s wrong with Minch, then?

As we said, Heir to the Empire says that Yoda killed the Dark Jedi in the Dagobah cave during the Clone Wars while Leland Chee said that Minch did it 700 years before the movies.

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darklordoftech said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Can somebody explain to me what’s wrong with Minch, then?

As we said, Heir to the Empire says that Yoda killed the Dark Jedi in the Dagobah cave during the Clone Wars while Leland Chee said that Minch did it 700 years before the movies.

So you just hate because it contradicts a minor detail in another story? That’s dumb.

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Mara Jade infiltrating Jabba’s Palace to kill Luke.
The whole point of ESB and ROTJ is that Vader and the Emperor want to turn Luke to the dark side.

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darklordoftech said:

Mara Jade infiltrating Jabba’s Palace to kill Luke.
The whole point of ESB and ROTJ is that Vader and the Emperor want to turn Luke to the dark side.

That’s an interesting point that’s never occurred to me before. However, was her mission to specifically kill Luke though? I checked Wookieepedia and it never states that she was sent to kill him. The whole thing about Palpatine telepathically ordering her to kill Luke happened as he was falling to his death, or at least at some point during or after Vader’s betrayal. Though either way it does raise a question about what exactly her purpose at Jabbas palace was.

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The term “Dark Jedi”. It’s like calling Nazis “Dark Americans” during WWII.

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Well, Dark Jedi aren’t Sith, and “Jedi” is a pretty vague term that for most people in the SW universe (post ROTS) just refers to Force users, so adding “dark” isn’t that weird. I always got the impression that it was more of an colloquialism as opposed to an official label. And none of the post-ROTJ darkside-users qualified as being part of the Sith order.

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ZkinandBonez said:

I always got the impression that it was more of an colloquialism as opposed to an official label.

That’s what it should’ve been, but it always was something of an official label. There’ve been self-described dark Jedi, and most sources capitalize the “D” in “dark”.

I prefer “fallen Jedi” as a term for Jedi who went bad.

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The words Sith Lord should have been left on the cutting room floor.

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I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

ZkinandBonez said:

none of the post-ROTJ darkside-users qualified as being part of the Sith order.

This is true. Before TPM was released, EU writers were told not to use the term “Sith” to refer to anyone other than Vader if the story was set within the lifetime of characters from the movies.

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darklordoftech said:

I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

When did Yoda refer to anyone as “Dark Jedi”?

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ZkinandBonez said:

darklordoftech said:

I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

When did Yoda refer to anyone as “Dark Jedi”?

I meant if he did. What I meant was characters who are Force-educated.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I always got the impression that it was more of an colloquialism as opposed to an official label.

That’s what it should’ve been, but it always was something of an official label. There’ve been self-described dark Jedi, and most sources capitalize the “D” in “dark”.

I prefer “fallen Jedi” as a term for Jedi who went bad.

That sounds a little better, but doesn’t that communicate more-or-less the same idea though? Plus I don’t see why a darksider would destcribe him-/herself as being “fallen”. “Dark” is at least a term such a character might use with some pride, and it is descriptevely accurate, albeit kinda odd.

Maybe it’s a slang that became commonplace, post Palpatine’s purge of Jedi history? (It’s a decent head-canon at the very least.)

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darklordoftech said:

ZkinandBonez said:

darklordoftech said:

I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

When did Yoda refer to anyone as “Dark Jedi”?

I meant if he did. What I meant was characters who are Force-educated.

Right, but that’s my point; the term does make sense if only spoken by post-ROTJ characters. Even Luke is hardly an expert on Jedi history as Palpatine destroyed most of it. And since there were no actusl Sith around, I guess the term just stuck out of necessity.


I’m curious, does the term Dark Jedi get used by pre-OT characters?

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ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I always got the impression that it was more of an colloquialism as opposed to an official label.

That’s what it should’ve been, but it always was something of an official label. There’ve been self-described dark Jedi, and most sources capitalize the “D” in “dark”.

I prefer “fallen Jedi” as a term for Jedi who went bad.

That sounds a little better, but doesn’t that communicate more-or-less the same idea though? Plus I don’t see why a darksider would destcribe him-/herself as being “fallen”.

Sorry. I should’ve specified that “fallen Jedi” is a term Jedi themselves would use. I imagine darksiders would identify as ex-Jedi, or even continuing identifying as adjectiveless Jedi.

“Dark” is at least a term such a character might use with some pride

I can see more “Satanic” darksiders going that route.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

ZkinandBonez said:

I always got the impression that it was more of an colloquialism as opposed to an official label.

That’s what it should’ve been, but it always was something of an official label. There’ve been self-described dark Jedi, and most sources capitalize the “D” in “dark”.

I prefer “fallen Jedi” as a term for Jedi who went bad.

That sounds a little better, but doesn’t that communicate more-or-less the same idea though? Plus I don’t see why a darksider would destcribe him-/herself as being “fallen”.

Sorry. I should’ve specified that “fallen Jedi” is a term Jedi themselves would use. I imagine darksiders would identify as ex-Jedi, or even continuing identifying as adjectiveless Jedi.

“Dark” is at least a term such a character might use with some pride

I can see more “Satanic” darksiders going that route.

I just figured that a force-user committed to the dark side should mind using the word “dark” to describe themselves. In their mind “dark jedi” would probably be a proper Jedi. Plus there’s no story were they won and got to steal the word “Jedi” for themselves. However the only darksiders in the EU that “won” and ruled for a long period of time were Sith.

Also “satanic” as a metaphor for anything in SW seems to fit the Sith and their more cult-like ways IMO.

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  • That the Mandalorians started out as a species. Unlike the Sith (where “Lords of” was interpreted as “rulers of a species”), there was nothing suggesting that the Mandalorians were ever a species.

  • The inconsistencies surrounding how long lightsabers have been around and what they were like in different eras. I prefer the idea that lightsabers haven’t changed since the Jedi began “over a thousand generations” ago.

  • Darths pre-Bane and post-ROTJ.

  • If they didn’t want KOTOR to resemble TOTJ, why did they have it take place so close to TOTJ? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to set it during the New Sith Wars?

  • Why did KOTOR create a generic precursor race when the Sith species already existed?

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The idea that Palpatine’s goal was to prepare for the Vong. If that was the case, what was the goal of the Sith Lords before him, and why didn’t he warn anybody?

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I never liked how technology stays more or less the same in between the Old Republic and the Skywalker Saga. Same designs, same tech, etc. Even though they have an entire galaxy’s worth of thinkers. Tech should be unrecognizable from each other on a yearly basis.

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I don’t know about that. I think technology evolving in fits and starts is plausible. Plus the persistence of certain types of tech. I mean, we have iPads and touchscreens now, but we’re also still using computer keyboards that are fundamentally the same as those from 20 years ago.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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darklordoftech said:

The idea that Palpatine’s goal was to prepare for the Vong. If that was the case, what was the goal of the Sith Lords before him, and why didn’t he warn anybody?

Well, that’s debatable. From what I’ve gathered it’s more of an in-universe justification of Palpatne’s actions post Yuuzhan Vong invasion by members of the Imperial remnant. Conquering the galaxy in order to protect it, and not warning anyone, is a pretty weird plan. I’d say his motivations was still as a Sith, but since Legends is a pretty extensive expanded universe, it makes sense that he was at least somewhat aware of the Vong, as well as preparing for it in some way.

Eckhartsladder made a video about it, arguing that Palpatine’s motivations were primarily based on the Sith doctrine and his own desire for power; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTGwVVa4B2U

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Amazon link to my novel; Dawn of the Karabu.