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Most Baffling Complaint of a Star Wars Movie — Page 4

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darthrush said:

Jeebus said:

Luke is out of character in TLJ.

I liked his character but this is the most understandable complaint I have heard of against the Last Jedi. I completely see where people are coming from cause it was a bold and risky decision.

I’m still bemused by the way people think that he would have stayed in stasis for 30 years and not changed as a person. It’s a pretty long time in which a lot of events could have happened. On top of this they had to write a story in which he doesn’t just come back immediately (making him look like an idiot for hiding in the first place) and an arc that doesn’t end in a videogame massacre where a dozen AT-ATs are smashed (making it look like one man could have won the war - or the wars that came before this - single-handedly at any time). Outside the third flashback being too similar to Kylo’s version it was all pretty well thought out.

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I don’t understand the complaint about the third flashback. Thought it made perfect sense.

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I hate it when people complain that Mark Hamill’s acting in the OT is “whiny” when they try to use it to defend the crappy prequel acting.

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Mocata said:

darthrush said:

Jeebus said:

Luke is out of character in TLJ.

I liked his character but this is the most understandable complaint I have heard of against the Last Jedi. I completely see where people are coming from cause it was a bold and risky decision.

I’m still bemused by the way people think that he would have stayed in stasis for 30 years and not changed as a person. It’s a pretty long time in which a lot of events could have happened. On top of this they had to write a story in which he doesn’t just come back immediately (making him look like an idiot for hiding in the first place) and an arc that doesn’t end in a videogame massacre where a dozen AT-ATs are smashed (making it look like one man could have won the war - or the wars that came before this - single-handedly at any time). Outside the third flashback being too similar to Kylo’s version it was all pretty well thought out.

I get what your saying about how it would be stupid for one man to be able to single handedly win the war but there are two things I really wish they did one of two things with Luke at the end of the movie: Either give us an epic lightsaber duel with Luke against Kylo or have him live at the end and do something else with him in 9. I honestly just wanted a moment like what we got with Vader in Rogue One. I’m not saying I wanted Luke massacring people but I wanted something that really showed his fighting abilities. It’s very much a fanboy like desire to have but I can’t deny that I still really wanted that.

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OutboundFlight said:

The Last Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie because it doesn’t have a Wilhelm scream.

Mathew Wood said:

In this movie, we decided to move from the Wilhelm scream. We’re letting the past die, as Kylo Ren says.

lol I'm not serious

Mocata said:

[…] an arc that doesn’t end in a videogame massacre where a dozen AT-ATs are smashed (making it look like one man could have won the war - or the wars that came before this - single-handedly at any time)

I don’t remember Vader or Luke single-handledly winning a war.

Oh wait, you’re speaking of the comics?
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I glad they didn’t do the scream. Takes me out of any movie I hear it in now.

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What are prequel era battle droid tanks doing there?

Nice cameo by the old Kenner Imperial Troop Transporter though.

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SilverWook said:

What are prequel era battle droid tanks doing there?

The obligatory PT reference, I guess.

TV’s Frink said:

I glad they didn’t do the scream. Takes me out of any movie I hear it in now.

To be honest I’m okay too, I was joking about a “Star Wars tradition”. I don’t have a problem with the scream in the OT (even in TESB). In modern movies is where I find it distracting.

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And the fact that I find it distracting in the OT is not the OT’s fault.

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IIRC, the Wilhelm scream was a running sound mixer’s gag long before Star Wars. Ben Burtt merely made it his signature.

Watch enough 50’s horror/sci fi cheese and you’ll hear the same woman’s scream almost every time.

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[GZK8000 said:]

Why is he wearing his Throne Room outfit? Jeez…blow up the DS and he can’t even get the weekend off! 😛

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Mielr said:

[GZK8000 said:]

Why is he wearing his Throne Room outfit? Jeez…blow up the DS and he can’t even get the weekend off! 😛

Luke wore it occasionally in the Marvel comics. Which made more sense than wearing his Tatooine duds all the time.

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I don’t remember Vader or Luke single-handledly winning a war.

Neither do I. So we’re in agreement? These comics look pretty embarrassing.

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Jeebus said:

darthrush said:

Jeebus said:

Luke is out of character in TLJ.

I liked his character but this is the most understandable complaint I have heard of against the Last Jedi. I completely see where people are coming from cause it was a bold and risky decision.

Just to be clear, I make a distinction between thinking he’s out of character, and not agreeing with the direction his character was taken. I agree that it was really bold to do what they did, and I understand that some people just wanted to see something different. I very much disagree with the notion that he is “out of character,” though.

Well, I don’t dislike the direction Luke’s character was taken, but I do think it was out of character, because in my view Luke’s motivations for contemplating to kill his best friend’s and sister’s son were not properly developed. Seeing darkness just doesn’t cut it in the context of the rest of the saga, and doing it while the boy is sleeping doesn’t seem that Jedi like either. Then there’s the idea that Luke just abandons everyone, and leaves the galaxy to Snoke and Kylo. This just doesn’t make sense, because even if Luke wants the Jedi to end, his first priority should be to stop “dark Jedi”. I mean, what’s the point of ending the Jedi, if two other force users are wreaking havoc on the galaxy? So, yeah Luke’s character arc in TLJ is good, but the backstory and motivation are very poorly developed IMO. So, Luke’s change from hero to hermit seems like a plot device. Luke becomes a hermit, because RJ wanted him to be, not because it flows naturally from previous installments in the saga.

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Mocata said:

I don’t remember Vader or Luke single-handledly winning a war.

Neither do I. So we’re in agreement? These comics look pretty embarrassing.

What I mean is, why would they have the need to give Luke a plausible reason for not single-handledly winning a war when no previous character (including RotJ Luke) did that before? It’s a problem that only exist in the o/nuEU.

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DrDre said:

Luke becomes a hermit, because RJ wanted him to be, not because it flows naturally from previous installments in the saga.

RJ?

You seem to have skipped a movie.

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I didn’t know Rick James directed a Star Wars film.

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TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

Luke becomes a hermit, because RJ wanted him to be, not because it flows naturally from previous installments in the saga.

RJ?

You seem to have skipped a movie.

Before TLJ we didn’t know why Luke went to Ach-To looking for the first Jedi Temple. The bleak I came here to die, Jedi must end, being disconnected from the Force, killing my nephew, etc, are all TLJ’s contributions. TFA left it all a mystery. TLJ didn’t really provide any answers for those mysteries, except in the most superficial manner possible. It doesn’t provide much context or motivations for Luke or Kylo. Kylo is just a bad egg, and Luke a far more flawed Jedi and person than we were led to believe, the latter being RJ’s interpretation (or distortion) of the character.

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Ok but “Luke becomes a hermit” is entirely on TFA’s docket.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ok but “Luke becomes a hermit” is entirely on TFA’s docket.

I agree, I should have better phrased my argument. I like Luke’s arc, but I feel it requires too much of a leap in logic for Luke to become the type of hermit he is in TLJ.

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As you know I disagree, but I do understand your viewpoint.

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DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ok but “Luke becomes a hermit” is entirely on TFA’s docket.

I agree, I should have better phrased my argument. I like Luke’s arc, but I feel it requires too much of a leap in logic for Luke to become the type of hermit he is in TLJ.

In all honesty, I do think I now agree with this. The jump of logic is hard for me to accept but once I buy into it, the arc works really well.

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