What edits have you made bizzle? Send them to me.
Whoa..wait. So okay--what I say doesn't carry any weight with you until I give you some stuff for free? What the hell is that? I don't even really get the point you're making. For one, I'm not HAMMERING the guy. Nor am I disrespecting him. We're talking. He apparently doesn't want to. he says he's not taking it personally, but apparently he is. I apologize for that, it's not my intention. I think the debate springing from his editing choices is pretty good, and I believe it's causing some of the readers here to look at this stuff a little more indepth than before. But it wouldn't be much of a discussion board if all anyone did is pat people on the back for sending them free shit, right?
Besides, about 3 years ago, I re-edited the radio dramas to make them more film like--using original score and sound effects for transitions between parts, cutting out each episodes opening narration and credits, deleting lines here and there that were a little extra corny and/or redundant, and basically making a 13 half hours into four 70 minute (for easy CD burning) parts. Did the same for ESB and ROTJ. And I very freely mailed them out to quite a few people, as well--including a Lucasfilm employee. Apologies that I never got one to you. Apparently, that way, you'd actually consider the points I make instead of dismissing them outright because I didn't hook you up with goodies
anyway, back to the Magnolia Fan:
Oh, c'mon. As if that wasn't your intent. No, you never spoke those specific words. I paraphrased based on the tone of that one paragraph. Would you really describe those movies in the tone and manner you did if you DIDN'T beleive the movies were, in fact, shitty and infantile? Maybe "shitty" is a little harsh, but I like the sound of the word.
You keep saying that I ruined the film
Whoa..wait. So okay--what I say doesn't carry any weight with you until I give you some stuff for free? What the hell is that? I don't even really get the point you're making. For one, I'm not HAMMERING the guy. Nor am I disrespecting him. We're talking. He apparently doesn't want to. he says he's not taking it personally, but apparently he is. I apologize for that, it's not my intention. I think the debate springing from his editing choices is pretty good, and I believe it's causing some of the readers here to look at this stuff a little more indepth than before. But it wouldn't be much of a discussion board if all anyone did is pat people on the back for sending them free shit, right?
Besides, about 3 years ago, I re-edited the radio dramas to make them more film like--using original score and sound effects for transitions between parts, cutting out each episodes opening narration and credits, deleting lines here and there that were a little extra corny and/or redundant, and basically making a 13 half hours into four 70 minute (for easy CD burning) parts. Did the same for ESB and ROTJ. And I very freely mailed them out to quite a few people, as well--including a Lucasfilm employee. Apologies that I never got one to you. Apparently, that way, you'd actually consider the points I make instead of dismissing them outright because I didn't hook you up with goodies
anyway, back to the Magnolia Fan:
Right down to the "I am your father" scene still being a surprise in ESB.
There is no way you're going to preserve that. can't happen. Unless you're planning on making a Magnolia Fan edit of Episode IV. Which would, I think, manage to piss off your fanbase here, considering where "here" is.
Ben's speech to Luke in the hut pretty much wraps that all up. There's no way around it--not counting what happens in Episode III (the montage editing of the last few sequences will damn near make it impossible for you to extricate any Anakin/Vader shots to keep the mystery intact). The instant Ben mentions a young pupil of his named Darth Vader destroying his father, it's all over. even a 6 year old would put 2 and 2 together. Ben's only had one pupil. He was a padawan until he got to train Anakin. And then Anakin and Palpatine killed everyone. If the only student Ben ever had was Anakin, then it's pretty obvious who this "Darth Vader" is that he's talking about. Especially if you've watched the first three.
According to Mace Windu, it does.
"You do know that Count Dooku was ONCE a Jedi.."
Meaning no longer IS a Jedi. I don't remember if you cut that line or not, to tell the truth. Sorry.
Don't know where you got that quote from.
Those words were never spoken by me.
What was that about putting words into people's mouths?
There is no way you're going to preserve that. can't happen. Unless you're planning on making a Magnolia Fan edit of Episode IV. Which would, I think, manage to piss off your fanbase here, considering where "here" is.
Ben's speech to Luke in the hut pretty much wraps that all up. There's no way around it--not counting what happens in Episode III (the montage editing of the last few sequences will damn near make it impossible for you to extricate any Anakin/Vader shots to keep the mystery intact). The instant Ben mentions a young pupil of his named Darth Vader destroying his father, it's all over. even a 6 year old would put 2 and 2 together. Ben's only had one pupil. He was a padawan until he got to train Anakin. And then Anakin and Palpatine killed everyone. If the only student Ben ever had was Anakin, then it's pretty obvious who this "Darth Vader" is that he's talking about. Especially if you've watched the first three.
and just because a Jedi Knight/Master ceases to be a Knight/Master, doesn't mean he's not still a Jedi.
According to Mace Windu, it does.
"You do know that Count Dooku was ONCE a Jedi.."
Meaning no longer IS a Jedi. I don't remember if you cut that line or not, to tell the truth. Sorry.
Don't know where you got that quote from.
Those words were never spoken by me.
What was that about putting words into people's mouths?
Oh, c'mon. As if that wasn't your intent. No, you never spoke those specific words. I paraphrased based on the tone of that one paragraph. Would you really describe those movies in the tone and manner you did if you DIDN'T beleive the movies were, in fact, shitty and infantile? Maybe "shitty" is a little harsh, but I like the sound of the word.
You keep saying that I ruined the film
See, this is why I keep thinking you're taking this a lot more personally than you say you are. I never said anything like "your life is these edits" at all, nor did I infer that. But obviously, fan editing films and posting on messageboards are the pastimes of people who aren't exactly TOO worried about "Wasting time."
I haven't said anything like you ruined the film. I'm saying I think some of the choices you made don't fit real well with what's going to come next. And then we get into why. It's certainly more than "no it's not" "Yes it is" because we're going down different roads and branches from that main topic. If you wanna reduce it to "This bickering is pointless" you can, but that feels like a cop-out. You can write that off by using the example of your friend saying cutting out midichlorians would ruin Episode II, but it's obvious that guy didn't know what was really going to go on in Episode II.
I think it's useful, because it shows how some people are considering some things in these prequels "Mistakes" when it's not really a question of "mistake" but a question of being able to interpret the meaning behind the action in the story from more than one simple angle. I think you might have misjudged a couple angles, that's all, and I figured it'd be interesting to find out why you made the choices you did, and see if I can't add to that to maybe show there's a possibility that what you see as a "mistake" isn't exactly a mistake if you're taking it for more than face value.
Shit, it can't hurt