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Post #1207962

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dahmage
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Date created
19-May-2018, 5:09 PM

Jay said:

dahmage said:

NeverarGreat said:

Jay said:

TM2YC said:

Jay said:

Ask Londoners if they feel safe with people getting stabbed every night

Broadly speaking the answer would be yes. London is one of the most populous cities in the world. One murder is statistically tiny and no danger to the majority but one is still far too many.

Except it’s 36 fatal stabbings so far this year in London.

But at least they didn’t use a spoon.

I’d much rather be a bystander in a knife fight than a gun fight. It’s pretty hard to kill hundreds of people from your balcony with a knife, and if someone does break into your house and you’re in the kitchen, you’re both equally well armed.

Exactly. This whole 🔪 thing is a ridiculous point.

Jay’s argument makes it sound like gun control advocates are silly people who want everything to be happy and safe and who don’t understand that people can be bad/evil.

Way to paint the other side as silly.

When the depth of the argument is often “fewer guns = good”, it is silly. I don’t think we’ll have fewer school shootings at all if we reimplement the assault weapons ban. We’d have to ban guns outright, and there’s a zero-percent chance of that happening.

I’m all for improved background checks and other methods of keeping guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. I’m also for law enforcement doing its job, like following up on reports about troubled people and referring them to psychiatric care.

I’m amazed at how few questions I see about the WHY behind all this. TM2YC seems to think that humans simply kill each other because that’s what we do, so if we ban the tools we use to kill, the killings will stop; I suppose banning delivery trucks is next. But why are we seeing so many mass killings, and why didn’t we see them when guns were even more readily available? Has anyone considered we’ve started behaving in ways that imply a deeper and more troubling issue? How do we prevent people from ending up in such a painful and hopeless place that they think murdering a bunch of people is the way to deal with those feelings?

fewer guns is of course good. it isn’t a cure though. but when you have to summarize a point in a few words… it is pretty accurate. (fewer nukes is also good)

for your point about being all for improving background checks and following up on police reports. i don’t know your politics, but I really get annoyed when these lines come from people who also want to lower taxes / cut funding.

and finally, the why. It is true there might be a ‘scary’ (to borrow your way of speaking about guns) reason behind all of this. but again, are you really solving anything by blaming some shadowy underling cause? This again is the way that people who ‘care’ speak, but not the way that people who want to solve problems speak.