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A cult classic beloved by many gets a sequel years later, featuring the former star in a supporting role, fantastic visuals and music, a compelling continuation of the original sci-fi story, and an overall great experience that made me glad I got a chance to revisit the world created by the original.

Unfortunately the last move I seen wasn’t Tron Legacy, it was Blade Runner 2049.

The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

There wasn’t anything else in the last half hour that really elevated the film for me either. The mild surprise at the end was not a surprise at all and I never manage to guess these things. I will grant the end fight was very cool because you don’t typically see a fight in that circumstance and it’s kinda beautifully done.

Overall, this movie was fine. I still feel exactly the same about it as the original - it’s fine, maybe even good, but massively overrated. Oh and it’s too long. At 2 hours and 45 minutes, probably a good 45 minutes too long.

7/10 on its own merits, 6/10 because I expected more.

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:
Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

Probably because showing nudity is more exploitative and immature than clothes.

WYSHS

It was meant to be exploitative, and it’s commenting on how that society approaches sexuality. The film is rated R, so it’s not like kids are seeing it.

Handman said:

It was meant to be exploitative, and it’s commenting on how that society approaches sexuality. The film is rated R, so it’s not like kids are seeing it.

Have you seen the movie?

If you want to make that argument earlier in the film, with the hologram in a longer shot, maybe. I don’t buy it, but I get it.

The one at the end makes zero sense. Put her in any of the outfits “she” wore when with Joe and it would have made sense. And not been super exploitative at the same time.

I have seen the movie, and I thought you were referring to the hologram. I’m not sure what you mean at the end. I haven’t seen it since it was in theaters last year.

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

citation needed

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity

Lol ok.

This is like saying (and I’m being deliberately provocative to make a point) that most women have no issue with sexual assault, and you know that’s the case because they don’t report it.

Handman said:

I have seen the movie, and I thought you were referring to the hologram. I’m not sure what you mean at the end. I haven’t seen it since it was in theaters last year.

There were two hologram shots. The first one is about 2 hours in and it’s a longer shot. Still exploitative IMO but it’s just a shot of Joi standing there naked.

Near the end, Joe is walking in the rain, and a giant Joi hologram talks to him. She’s completely nude, towers over him, bends over the camera suggestively, and even gets on her hands and knees at one point. It’s ridiculous. And it makes no sense beyond that, since the point of the scene should be to tie her to their earlier relationship, and this doesn’t do anything of the sort.

If I’ve missed the point of the scene, fine, but it’s exploitative of the actress no matter what.

TV’s Frink said:

The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

I don’t know why you keep asking me to do this. Yes I have a perfectly good explanation. But you refuse to listen to any of my reasoning.

Also, I checked out the scene I couldn’t remember (the one where the prostitute gets out of bed naked) and it’s absolutely absurd that you think that shot is purposefully objectifying her. If you’re going to argue that the filmmakers’ shot composition is objectifying women, please actually analyze the shot first. The only way that shot is objectifying her is if you think the mere presence of female nudity is inherently objectifying. Which is totally fine if that’s your opinion. But don’t pretend that you think it depends how it portrayed, because at this point I seriously doubt that’s how you actually feel. Again, if you have a problem with female nudity on principle, that’s totally okay.

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

It’s an important issue worth discussing, even if Frink is wrong in this particular case.

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

I don’t know why you keep asking me to do this. Yes I have a perfectly good explanation. But you refuse to listen to any of my reasoning.

Also, I checked out the scene I couldn’t remember (the one where the prostitute gets out of bed naked) and it’s absolutely absurd that you think that shot is purposefully objectifying her. If you’re going to argue that the filmmakers’ shot composition is objectifying women, please actually analyze the shot first. The only way that shot is objectifying her is if you think the mere presence of female nudity is inherently objectifying. Which is totally fine if that’s your opinion. But don’t pretend that you think it depends how it portrayed, because at this point I seriously doubt that’s how you actually feel. Again, if you have a problem with female nudity on principle, that’s totally okay.

Honestly I have no idea how to respond to this, I don’t understand your point any more than you seem to understand mine, so I’ll just give up.

dahmage said:

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

citation needed

Halle Berry, Jennifer Lawrence, Karen Gillan, so on and so forth. Halle Berry said she’d do her first nude scene entirely upon how much they’d pay her. The story usually goes, “I was nervous at first, but everyone was so nice I forgot I was naked!”

Handman said:

dahmage said:

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

citation needed

Halle Berry, Jennifer Lawrence, Karen Gillan, so on and so forth.

Oh wow that’s every actress, and none of them would ever have any reason to stretch the truth or even lie about it.

Found this immediately when searching for “Blade Runner nudity.” I’m sure y’all will disagree with it though.

http://curnblog.com/2017/11/19/nudity-blade-runner-2049-hollywood-gaze/

TV’s Frink said:

Found this immediately when searching for “Blade Runner nudity.” I’m sure y’all will disagree with it though.

http://curnblog.com/2017/11/19/nudity-blade-runner-2049-hollywood-gaze/

Oh wow what a legitimate news source.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

The last half hour featured (surprise!) another wholly unnecessary nude woman, which happened to be the most blatant example of all of them. Go ahead and explain why the giant Joi hologram had to be naked and not dressed in any of the clothes she wore while with K/Joe. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

I don’t know why you keep asking me to do this. Yes I have a perfectly good explanation. But you refuse to listen to any of my reasoning.

Also, I checked out the scene I couldn’t remember (the one where the prostitute gets out of bed naked) and it’s absolutely absurd that you think that shot is purposefully objectifying her. If you’re going to argue that the filmmakers’ shot composition is objectifying women, please actually analyze the shot first. The only way that shot is objectifying her is if you think the mere presence of female nudity is inherently objectifying. Which is totally fine if that’s your opinion. But don’t pretend that you think it depends how it portrayed, because at this point I seriously doubt that’s how you actually feel. Again, if you have a problem with female nudity on principle, that’s totally okay.

Honestly I have no idea how to respond to this, I don’t understand your point any more than you seem to understand mine, so I’ll just give up.

I understand your point completely. I grant you that you seem to not understand mine, or at least not have any interest in engaging with it.

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

dahmage said:

Handman said:

But this is one of those things that’s stupid and inconsequential. Most actresses/actors have no issue with nudity, and I don’t see how a film for adults would do any harm.

citation needed

Halle Berry, Jennifer Lawrence, Karen Gillan, so on and so forth.

Oh wow that’s every actress, and none of them would ever have any reason to stretch the truth or even lie about it.

If you think I’m going out of my way to link to every actress ever, you are insane.

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Found this immediately when searching for “Blade Runner nudity.” I’m sure y’all will disagree with it though.

http://curnblog.com/2017/11/19/nudity-blade-runner-2049-hollywood-gaze/

Oh wow what a legitimate news source.

News source? What are you even talking about? It’s an opinion piece.

Here’s another one along similar but more generalized lines.

http://theconversation.com/blade-runners-problem-with-women-remains-unsolved-in-its-sequel-85398

And that’s probably enough. There’s plenty more of course.