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@Darth Simon: Well, the version I have here already looks quite good, but when I've finished downloading Deleted Magic, then I'll try the Myspleen version of the HS too .
I think it's just great what fans do for each other. One idea I had recently was to recut all the SW movies and put in all the deleted footage I have here - not to make them better, but to make them longer. When I have time I will certainly come back to the project and it will surely be a totally new experience to watch the films like that .
60 Percent to go (it's really fast now, I hope tomorrow it will be finished ).
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Hey Obi-Wan Spicoli: Could you please post the CD label from page 14 again? It looks great, but the link to the large version is not working .

BTW. Finished. As soon as I have time, I'll watch this DVD .
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Those of you in the Illinois area, Deleted Magic will be playing at the InConjunction Sci-fi Convention.

We're on Friday evening at 6:30.

http://www.inconjunction.org/dept/video/


Wish I could be there. =)


I am planning to go to the San Diego Comic Con this year. The SDCC rocks.
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I (finally) burned this to DVD, and I noticed that, at around 20 minutes, there are a couple seconds repeated. Right around "Thank the maker" You see Luke saying "Let's go." and then 3PO lowering, and then it cuts and does that again. I thought it might have just been my burn, so I checked the copy on my HDD, and I had that problem. So I checked it against the one on Myspleen, but it said I had 100% Anyone know where I went wrong?
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OCP: Great stuff! Maybe you'll finally get some well-deserved recognition.

Sybeman: Yeah sadly my burned disc has the same problem. I received mine directly from OCP himself so maybe it was a glitch during authoring. OCP: Any others report this same issue?
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Now that I think of it, my copy also has this problem with the repeated frames. I got my copy directly from ocpmovie too.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Ah, it's not a big issue. It's noticeable at the time, but soon enough, you forget it happened. Besides, when I tried to get rid of the repeat, the chapter select wouldnt work for me.
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Yes .... I believe that error appears on the master copy as well. I'd forgotten about that, since surprisingly few people have mentioned it!

Something strange happened during authoring resulting in those repeated seconds. I didn't notice it at the time.

Sorry.
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Don't sweat it OCP, this is indeed a work of art. I cant imagine how many hours it would have taken to splice together all the rare footage from the multitude of different sources.

My hats off to you on another successful project. *Removes Cap*
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Hey OCP,

Finally completed my download, and although I've only taken a brief look so far, I am as impressed as I hoped I would be

A fantastic job, and a must have in every fan's collection.

Cheers!

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I watched this over the weekend, and was amazed. It was a great crash course on many things brought up here, eg. Biggs, 1977 mono soundtrack, Tarkin, etc. One thing that got to me was that some of the subtitles were either too brief or late, forcing me to rewind and pause a fair amount in order to digest what was going on. The other is that footage of the models was paired with the SE CGI version of the film. I would have rather seen the model footage paired with a version of the film that actually showed the models.

Kudos! I'm now going to have to check your other stuff out. =)
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No CGI shots of X-Wing or Tie fighters appear in Deleted Magic. In all cases, they have been replaced with the original 1977 footage, as in Classic Edition. Trust me.



The subtitles are a bit fast, it was difficult to fit them all in and make them readable in the time alotted. They can be read by a casual viewer, but if you really want to digest and think about the thoughts mentioned in the subtitles, I definitely recommend pausing occasionally, or even constantly.


Best wishes!
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I don't think this was asked already, but is there a particular reason for the second half of the alternate cantina scene to have no sound?

Still not finished - I'll put a review up soon. I'm watching it in segments.
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I might be mistaken, but wasn't the source material without sound in the first place?
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The source material has sound in most of it. More than half, anyway. It was off of the Behind the Magic CD-ROM. And a few other places as well. There is a whole lot more than went into that scene (or the whole project for that matter), don't let the completeness of it fool ya!
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I don't know what you mean by the second half of the Cantina scene having no sound.

The whole film has sound.
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Maybe I need to watch it again. Maybe the sound was just quiet, or something messed up with my player.

About halfway through the cantina scene I watched this evening, all the background cantina noise disappeared really suddenly - up to then, the film had been rapidly cutting back and forth between color and black and white, and then it was mostly black and white, only occasionally becoming color. Afterwards, the only sounds I heard were when someone would talk, and it would cut in all of a sudden, almost sounding like the way voices sometimes cut in and out on a cell-phone. This lasted all the way up to after the stormtroopers arrive. The only reason it stood out to me is because, like you said, the rest of the film is chockfull of sound. I just didn't know if a continued audio track of the background cantina noise just didn't exist.

I hope I don't sound like I am complaining about this in any way. I was just wondering if there was just no existing audio of the background cantina noise after a certain point, or what. I understand completely that the black and white portions are from a detoriarated cut (I assume the same cut that featured the treadwell?) - I just didn't understand why the background cantina noise disappeared so suddenly.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
No CGI shots of X-Wing or Tie fighters appear in Deleted Magic. In all cases, they have been replaced with the original 1977 footage, as in Classic Edition. Trust me.



The subtitles are a bit fast, it was difficult to fit them all in and make them readable in the time alotted. They can be read by a casual viewer, but if you really want to digest and think about the thoughts mentioned in the subtitles, I definitely recommend pausing occasionally, or even constantly.


Best wishes!


RE CGI: While watching those scenes, I kept thinking, these look sharper, have more saturation and detail than my EditDroid set, it must be CGI. Now I'm anxious to watch those pieces again, and see where my assumptions went wrong. Thanks again for all the work you put into this, and the continued support you provide here.
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Well, all of the good things that I had heard about Deleted Magic have been proven to be true. Here are some of my random thoughts on it -

- First off, if you are someone who is still unsure about whether or not to get a copy of Deleted Magic for yourself, do yourself a favor and get it. It is the best Star Wars investment that I have ever made. I knew that it was perfect as soon as I saw the title menu - the "binary sunset" arrangement of the Star Wars music playing over the montage of deleted scenes was just beautiful.

- The level of professionalism is amazing. Even poorer quality material appears seemlessly. At no point did I feel disorientated.

- Watching the full length documentary of Deleted Magic is like seeing Star Wars in a whole new light. While many of the deleted scenes, alternate takes, behind the scenes material, and the like are things that many of us have seen before, seeing them placed back into the context of the actual movie adds so much to all of them. Watching the original version of Star Wars is like looking at something through a very focused pair of eyes - watching Deleted Magic is so interesting because it is like having that pair of eyes that you've been used to looking through your whole life suddenly start wandering to the sides and seeing things outside the original more rigid frame of reference.

- I was amazed at how much humour there was in this. A good example would be any of the cut scenes with R2 - you see what seems to be a familiar scene from the old movie, but then all of a sudden, R2 stumbles and falls over.

- Similarly, I was amazed at how emotionally moving certain scenes were. I've always been a Kenobi fan, so maybe I am biased, but seeing footage of Alec Guiness relaxing or talking off-scene while his character's dialogue and theme music plays (as in the rescue from the sandpeople scene and his death scene) seems like such a nice tribute to him, as he was one of the first original trilogy cast members to have died. There is just something very elegaic about how some of the material was arranged by Gilchrist, and that was something that I had not expected at all.

- Biggs is great. Nice to finally see him.

Now, I just have a few questions -

- Which OT preservation set(s?) was used for the pre-SE original scenes that were not replaced by rough cut material?

- How many hours did you spend working on this DVD?

- I've always toyed with the idea of making my own edit of the OT, with the most alterations (naturally) being in Star Wars. Are you opposed to allowing your work to be borrowed from? I just doubt there are better copies of Biggs' scenes in circulation, and your audio track for the Treadwell scene is great. Those alone I feel could go into a Star Wars edit and not be too out of place.

- Are you still working on Deleted Magic Strikes Back and Return Of Deleted Magic? The teasers for those look great!

- Does a complete black and white audio-less copy of the fabled lost cut actually still exist?



PS - I did watch the cantina scene again. The audio issues that I noticed were that the "droid sensor" does not make a noise when 3PO and R2 trip it, and roughly between when Luke stands at the bar and when the stormtroopers go to Han's table, there is no background barroom noise at all (whereas before during the cantina introductory shot, there was). Except for a few exceptions, all dialogue is intact. Do I not have my audio settings set correctly, or is this simply the way that the scene is? Like I said before, I have no problem with it the way it is - it was just the only scene that seemed anywhere close to distracting because all audio drops out when no one is speaking, unlike, say, in the Tantive IV discarded shots, when you can still hearing shuffling and walking and directorial cues, etc...
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Hey Ocpmovie, Thanks for the Ewok and Classic Editions discs, loved em! It's been over ten years since I last saw Return of the Ewok!

I have also just finished downloading and watching Deleted Magic. Congratulations on a great doco! It's so good to see these alternate angles and behind the scenes footage in some context. You have done an amazing job of putting it all together. I will be sure to let all my fellow SW fans know about it.

I was almost inspired to do an ESB adn ROTJ version myself! But then I read that the master was already on the case.

Cheers
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Thanks Jambe! If you are ever actually inspired enough to do your own Deleted Magic type edit for Empire and Jedi, go ahead! I'd love to see it.

I myself actually have no current plans to tackle Empire and Jedi anymore. I definitely looked into it, but at the moment, the only footage that has leaked is mostly boring "how we made the effects" type footage rather than true deleted material, and my attempts at Deleted Magic Strikes Back proved uninspiring. I was going to hire actors and record audio for the true deleted scenes in a radio drama fashion, but could never find the right people. So now I am waiting for more decent deleted footage to turn up.

Now Andy, let me reply to your post and questions.

>>"Deleted Magic is so interesting because it is like having that pair of eyes that you've been used to looking through your whole life suddenly start wandering to the sides and seeing things outside the original more rigid frame of reference."

That's a great quote, very apt. I thank you for it.

>>"I was amazed at how much humour there was in this."

Glad you noticed. I was always trying to sneak humor in, point out how silly things must have looked onset, when things fell over. Couldn't help it.

>>seeing footage of Alec Guiness relaxing or talking off-scene while his character's dialogue and theme music plays (as in the rescue from the sandpeople scene and his death scene) seems like such a nice tribute to him

Again, glad you noticed. =) I love Sir Alec's performance and in every interview you hear cast members talking about how much it meant to them that he was there as a mentor figure onset. (Even Garrick Hagon, who had no scenes with Sir Alec, spends a lot of his time talking about him, in The Unauthorized Star Wars Story [and the Classic Editoin commentary]). Since the Biggs scenes were done, I thought I'd break the rhythm a little and do a few little tributes to Sir Alec, and other cast members. There's at least one for Chewbacca as well.

I have not altered the audio for the Cantina scene. It appears as it did on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM. I suppose it would be quiet when no one is talking, resulting in gaps of silence. Yes. The Cantina scene features the original dialogue and production sound. The extras would have been instructed to keep quiet. The repeated background noise you hear is "walla" (sound effects) intended to cover the silence. The sound was edited together by Lucasfilm in 1998 or so, and represents a rough "scratch track" rather than polished, finished sound. Hence the gaps. It's filmmaking.

- Which OT preservation set(s?) was used for the pre-SE original scenes that were not replaced by rough cut material?

The old TR47 by Cowclops. Also used in Classic Edition, appearing in higher quality there.

- How many hours did you spend working on this DVD?

Too many. Mostly on weekends, when I was sick or bored.

- I've always toyed with the idea of making my own edit of the OT, with the most alterations (naturally) being in Star Wars. Are you opposed to allowing your work to be borrowed from? I just doubt there are better copies of Biggs' scenes in circulation, and your audio track for the Treadwell scene is great.

I feel that the scenes that were deleted were deleted for a reason, and couldn't/shouldn't really be integrated into the actual film, because they are of different quality and are often very silly. That's why I created a different style for Deleted Magic, when they give the impression of being integrated into the film but really you're watching something different, and more eccentric.

That said, you can use what you want, with full credit. The complete Jabba scene appears on Return of the Ewok.

- Does a complete black and white audio-less copy of the fabled lost cut actually still exist?

I am not sure if Mr. Reynolds viewed the COMPLETE film, but he certainly viewed a lot of it. So yes, it is most likely that a complete black and white copy of the Lost Cut exists, probably without any audio, as they weren't able to find the audio in 1998ish when they made Behind the Magic. All the Lost Cut material exists as raw unedited footage in the Lucas archives, in color and with sound, on 35mm film. It has been fairly well stored all these years, and could be restored in color if Lucas wanted, but it would be a big project. Check out the Anatomy of a Dewback Pt. 2 DVD ROM extra on the Deleted Magic disc for a glimpse into those vaults.

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- I have not altered the audio for the Cantina scene. It appears as it did on the Behind the Magic CD-ROM. I suppose it would be quiet when no one is talking, resulting in gaps of silence. Yes. The Cantina scene features the original dialogue and production sound. The extras would have been instructed to keep quiet. The repeated background noise you hear is "walla" (sound effects) intended to cover the silence. The sound was edited together by Lucasfilm in 1998 or so, and represents a rough "scratch track" rather than polished, finished sound. Hence the gaps. It's filmmaking.

Okay, that makes sense. It just seemed weird how the walla dropped out after a bit - it had me worried that I had lost a sound channel or something similar. Sorry if I sounded crazy when I first mentioned it.

- I am not sure if Mr. Reynolds viewed the COMPLETE film, but he certainly viewed a lot of it. So yes, it is most likely that a complete black and white copy of the Lost Cut exists, probably without any audio, as they weren't able to find the audio in 1998ish when they made Behind the Magic. All the Lost Cut material exists as raw unedited footage in the Lucas archives, in color and with sound, on 35mm film. It has been fairly well stored all these years, and could be restored in color if Lucas wanted, but it would be a big project. Check out the Anatomy of a Dewback Pt. 2 DVD ROM extra on the Deleted Magic disc for a glimpse into those vaults.

The more time I spend here at OT.com, the more fed up I get with Lucas. Kudos to him for creating SW, because it is great, but to hold back things like this is just too much. I understand artistic license, but there is something to be said for reaching out to your fans, too. I never knew an intact (color/audio) copy of the Lost Cut existed, and knowing that just makes me sad. I read something by you somewhere where you were talking about how it is silly that all the cut footage has been scattered across countless documentaries and TV shows, and it just sinks in more and more. I can't understand why, even with the release of the Extra Special Editions, he did not at least release a bonus materials disc that finally contained all the deleted scenes that people have heard about all these years. I guess, though, you more than almost anyone else is in a position to be irked the most about it, though.

So, in conclusion, thanks for doing with Deleted Magic what Lucas should have done years ago. It's sad that it takes the fans to please the fans anymore.
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andy_k_250:

Let's just hope the rumors are true, and that a "deleted scenes" DVD makes its way into the new saga boxset at the end of the year.

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Originally posted by: andij
Hey Obi-Wan Spicoli: Could you please post the CD label from page 14 again? It looks great, but the link to the large version is not working

It's back up. Sorry for the delay.

Greedo shoots first? Not in my DVD player.