It’s not a coincidence that 99% of people think of hell as a torturous hellhole.
Source? Are you 99% of people by yourself?
AFAIK, pope Francis said the opposite a month ago. Or is he playing a game too?And even if Hell is a place a torture, that doesn’t that God personaly tortures people.
my friend, ask anyone in the street. like, literally, go out tomorrow and ask people to describe hell.
It’s not a coincidence that 99% of people think of hell as a torturous hellhole.
Source? Are you 99% of people by yourself?
AFAIK, pope Francis said the opposite a month ago. Or is he playing a game too?And even if Hell is a place a torture, that doesn’t that God personaly tortures people.
Oh my god. Ask any American what hell is said to be like. Almost everybody will tell you it’s a torturous hellhole. I’m done. This thread is hell. I’d rather be on fire at this point.
The Person in Question
In his defense nothing about the book of revelation is even supposed to be taken literal, it’s more about Rome than eternity.
And it is about people that will pray the Beast at the end of the world.
It’s not a coincidence that 99% of people think of hell as a torturous hellhole.
Source? Are you 99% of people by yourself?
AFAIK, pope Francis said the opposite a month ago. Or is he playing a game too?And even if Hell is a place a torture, that doesn’t that God personaly tortures people.
my friend, ask anyone in the street. like, literally, go out tomorrow and ask people to describe hell.
If I do that, 70% will answer that Hell doesn’t exist.
You know, I work for Catholic Schools in my Country, so maybe a lot of people in my street will refer to pope Francis. Who said recently that there is no Hell.
It’s not a coincidence that 99% of people think of hell as a torturous hellhole.
Source? Are you 99% of people by yourself?
AFAIK, pope Francis said the opposite a month ago. Or is he playing a game too?And even if Hell is a place a torture, that doesn’t that God personaly tortures people.
my friend, ask anyone in the street. like, literally, go out tomorrow and ask people to describe hell.
If I do that, 70% will answer that Hell doesn’t exist.
We’re talking about the concept. And by the way, that 70% figure needs a citation.
The Person in Question
In his defense nothing about the book of revelation is even supposed to be taken literal, it’s more about Rome than eternity.
And it is about people that will pray the Beast at the end of the world.
No.
And by the way, that 70% figure needs a citation.
Who is playing a game now ?
Here is my source: http://www.atlantico.fr/pepites/63-francais-ne-identifient-aucune-religion-2771283.html
(63% of French people are nonbelievers. Ok, not 70%)
And you, where is your source about 99%?
Ok, I’m done. Feel free to understand the Bible in the way you want to.
Isn’t the Beast just emperor Nero?
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In America 99% of people asked to describe hell will say it’s fire and brimstone. That’s our culture. I was still thinking about the US when I questioned your stat, but again we’re talking about what hell is not whether it exists or not. This is a mindbending mind game and I can’t handle it anymore.
The Person in Question
Isn’t the Beast just emperor Nero?
Yes.
In his defense nothing about the book of revelation is even supposed to be taken literal, it’s more about Rome than eternity.
And it is about people that will pray the Beast at the end of the world.
No.
Well yes, just take a look at the beginning of the verse that mfm quoted (but forgot the beginning of the sentence): " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury…"
Anyway, you were right, Revelation doesn’t have to be understood in a literal way.
The “ask anybody on the street” argument doesn’t really work because people also describe heaven as having pearly gates (when that actually is the Holy City in Revelation), or God being an old man with a long white beard, or to attribute proverbs to the Bible that it doesn’t say (like “money is the root of all evil” or “God helps those who help themselves.”)
Plus, the point I made about perhaps the Bible trying to describe something that potentially defies description from our points of view (or at least the points of view of those in biblical times.)
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
The “ask anybody on the street” argument doesn’t really work because people also describe heaven as having pearly gates (when that actually is the Holy City in Revelation), or God being an old man with a long white beard, or to attribute proverbs to the Bible that it doesn’t say (like “money is the root of all evil” or “God helps those who help themselves.”)
That’s true, but the Bible does describe hell as the way people tend to think of it.
The Person in Question
The “ask anybody on the street” argument doesn’t really work because people also describe heaven as having pearly gates (when that actually is the Holy City in Revelation), or God being an old man with a long white beard, or to attribute proverbs to the Bible that it doesn’t say (like “money is the root of all evil” or “God helps those who help themselves.”)
That’s true, but the Bible does describe hell as the way people tend to think of it.
The Bible describes the creation of the universe, from the formation of the space-time continuum down to the human life on this particular planet, as happening in 6 days. People when it was written would not understand the reality of it. So simpler, easier-to-comprehend language is used.
That doesn’t mean the Bible is wrong, but it does mean the truth is probably more complex and that the specific complexity is not altogether important to make the relevant point.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
It also doesn’t mean the Bible is right.
I’ll now take my final leave from the sub-moronic farce this thread has become.
Cool story.
The “ask anybody on the street” argument doesn’t really work because people also describe heaven as having pearly gates (when that actually is the Holy City in Revelation), or God being an old man with a long white beard, or to attribute proverbs to the Bible that it doesn’t say (like “money is the root of all evil” or “God helps those who help themselves.”)
That’s true, but the Bible does describe hell as the way people tend to think of it.
People used to describe their real-life encounters with space aliens in wildly different ways. Then, among UFO people, the Hill abduction in 1961 becomes a cause celebre, and the book Communion becomes a popular hit in 1987 and all people report encountering anymore are grays. How would people describe Hell if they’d never been told anything about it by someone else?
How would people describe Hell if they’d never been told anything about it by someone else?
Sure. How would people describe Hogwarts/Middel-Erde/Westeros/Tatooine/whatever if they’d never been told anything about it by someone else?
Middel-Erde?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Middel-Erde?
Middle-earth (Lord of the Rings)
Middel-Erde?
Middle-earth (Lord of the Rings)
Yes, I know. It just seemed odd to me to not outright say “Middle-earth” to begin with.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
How would people describe Hell if they’d never been told anything about it by someone else?
Sure. How would people describe Hogwarts/Middel-Erde/Westeros/Tatooine/whatever if they’d never been told anything about it by someone else?
Well, yes, that’s clear to someone who sees religion as fiction. But presumably there could be another channel for gaining insight if you didn’t see it that way. But in both cases, peoples’ thoughts about what’s possible can be constrained by what they’ve already been exposed to, so it’s no surprise people have similar ideas about Hell, and it doesn’t mean much one way or the other.
Nobody knows nothin’.
The “ask anybody on the street” argument doesn’t really work because people also describe heaven as having pearly gates (when that actually is the Holy City in Revelation), or God being an old man with a long white beard, or to attribute proverbs to the Bible that it doesn’t say (like “money is the root of all evil” or “God helps those who help themselves.”)
That’s true, but the Bible does describe hell as the way people tend to think of it.
Look. The best I can offer up is a slice of my own pie.
When I was against God and apart from him? My life was all about me. There weren’t any limits to the hurt I could flame myself with. There wasn’t any reason to stop doing what I wanted. The tap was wide open.
Giving God a real stare gave me the sense to put on gloves and stop burning down my own house.
I’d say it was an experience. Sort of like going from hell to heaven.
So I don’t know if that helps?
K. Let’s have this ride.