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Am I the only one who thinks that puppets look fake

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Yes ... yes, you are.

How does it feel to be the only one on the planet?

Alone

... Alone

... ... ALONE!!!

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Well, yeah, some puppet do look fake. Take the ones from Mr. Rogers's Neighborhood. The King and Queen serve their purposes well, but I'd never see them on the street and believe they were real. Of course, I'd never see them on the street at all (unless I'd taken some bad death sticks ^_~). As for the Star Wars puppets, which is what I assume you're talking about... well, some of them looked kind of fake, too. They all have their individual problems. But the two main Star Wars puppets... Jabba the Hutt and Yoda... well, I have yet to see a CG rendering that does either of them justice.

ALONE!!!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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yoda CG was as good as puppet yoda
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No he wasn't..muppet Yoda from ESB created by the excellent very talented..genious Stuart Freeborn is way as better than computer technology.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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ok jedi kev beleive what you want.
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The only thing CG Yoda can do better is fight a lightsaber duel. Those are the only scenes that required they use a computer character. But saying that CG Yoda is as good as the puppet one? Shim, that's like saying you don't believe in faeries! As if a thousand Stuart Freeborns cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced!

I do believe in puppets! I do! I do!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
The only thing CG Yoda can do better is fight a lightsaber duel. Those are the only scenes that required they use a computer character. But saying that CG Yoda is as good as the puppet one? Shim, that's like saying you don't believe in faeries! As if a thousand Stuart Freeborns cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced!

I do believe in puppets! I do! I do!


i beg to differ. the CG yoda in ROTS with great, and your comparisons are not even close to the mark. you could give a little credit to your arguement and maybe it would be respected more. there is no way you can say that the CG yoda in ROTS was that bad. it was extermely good and i say it looked as close to a living organism as the puppet yoda did. and thats coming from someone who is going into biology.
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Stuart Freeborn is a living breathing legend..he made Empire..him and Keshner. Shimraa has been seduced by the dark side of the force.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Shimraa has been seduced by the dark side of the force.


yeah thats right i have been seduced by the darkside.
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Um, most of that post was a joke (I don't really believe that there are a thousand Stuart Freeborns, for example), but you seemed to miss the part where I did give the CG Yoda credit. The puppet Yoda simply can't match the movement of the CG Yoda in terms of the choreography of the lightsaber duels. There, I said it again, just in case you missed it the first time. I'm not even saying that they didn't do a good job on CG Yoda. He's pretty convincing. But in terms of simply looking like something that actually exists... you can't beat something that actually exists. That's my opinion, and I respect it. Geez, you didn't go off on Jedikev like that.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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He's always pissed me off gaffer tape and you give me a hug for comfort.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Um, most of that post was a joke (I don't really believe that there are a thousand Stuart Freeborns, for example), but you seemed to miss the part where I did give the CG Yoda credit. The puppet Yoda simply can't match the movement of the CG Yoda in terms of the choreography of the lightsaber duels. There, I said it again, just in case you missed it the first time. I'm not even saying that they didn't do a good job on CG Yoda. He's pretty convincing. But in terms of simply looking like something that actually exists... you can't beat something that actually exists. That's my opinion, and I respect it. Geez, you didn't go off on Jedikev like that.


sry i yeah i missed that, or rather misinterpreted it. i thought you were one of those people that hated seeing him fight. but like i said he is as convincing if not more convincing to being a living organism then the puppet yoda, and ill say it again that is coming from someone who's career is going to be doing things with living organisms. i am not saying the puppet yoda is bad but what i all comes down to is eyes, for the first time in all of SW they got the eye right. the next best set if eyes was in the ESB yoda, however the fact htat the pupples do not move nor do the dialate and so on just detract. thats being picky but thats the truth you'll find that that is the difference between things that look alive and those that dont. its the only thing that the CG yoda has on the ESB yoda, asides being able to jump around but its enough to make a huge difference. also the motion is alot more beleivable CG yoda is fluid where as the ESB yoda is up and down. again nto saying the ESB yoda is bad, he is great, i love him but interms of looking like someting that living and alive there are aspects that do detract.
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Okay, yeah, I see where you're coming from. Believe me, I'm not going to complain about something without a good reason, and I will give credit where credit is due. I prefer the puppet Yoda, but I'm not going to say it's perfect. In that scene where Luke and Yoda are training, and Yoda gives that whole speech about the dark side, I'm just staring at him, yelling in my head, "Blink, damnit, blink!" But you can't say that puppetry isn't advanced enough to deal with eyes. All the things you mentioned with the eyes were able to be done with the Jabba the Hutt puppet.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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yeah your right it was done as with the hut but not with yoda we are nto comparing that the CG yoda was better then the ESB yoda and OT jabba combined. we were comparing the cg yoda to the puppet yoda, and like i said i loved him he had so many aspects that were great and very beleivable, but in key place he lacked, and its not a bad thing it doesnt take away, you dont have to have something that looks alive to make something entertaining, it helps but you dont have to.
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Yeah, but the original thread topic is about puppets looking fake, and, in my first response, I mentioned both Yoda and Jabba, so I felt it only fair to not leave Jabba out in the cold if it could help with the pro-puppet argument.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Yeah, but the original thread topic is about puppets looking fake, and, in my first response, I mentioned both Yoda and Jabba, so I felt it only fair to not leave Jabba out in the cold if it could help with the pro-puppet argument.


this thread was 100% a joke. i was only making ti point out that all effects have there faults and look fake. this thread wouldnt be here if the CG looks fake thread wasnt made.
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Hehe, I know, I caught that. That doesn't mean I can't play puppet's advocate, now does it?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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The CG Yoda might have better articulation with his body, but I thought his performance was better in ESB.

It was very controlled and effective, whereas the CG yoda just seemed like an animator's show off toy.
To me, it just screamed, "Look at his mustache hair! Look how it moves! Look how every square inch of skin moves whenever he does something simple like move his arm! You can't do THAT with a muppet!"

To show I'm not a total CG bigot, let's take the example with Gollum: the greatest CG character created thus far in my opinion. No fucking way could this character have been pulled off by a puppet. What stood Gollum out from the rest was the fact that they paid such close attention to intricate details like a slight shift in eyes, the lighting, his movements. Because of this attention to detail, they made a believable character (c'mon, who didn't cry when he had that talk with himself when the others were sleeping?).

With yoda - and this is the case with a lot of the SFX in the PT - it all seemed like effects for effects sake. It was cold and distant. it didn't fit in. It was all so rushed, so fake.

By the way, can someone explain to me why Yoda's english is better after 30 years of exile on Degobah?

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Simple answer to that one: It's easy to speak well when you have two experienced professional writers penning everything you say (Bracket and Kasdan). Too bad for Yoda that his own creator can't hit those subtle marks and has to make every sentence into a dyslexic nightmare...

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"Around the survivors a perimeter create. "

For me, the worst line ever uttered out of Yoda's mouth in all the Star Wars movies.

PS: Excuse me for going off topic, but I found this line on IMDB that just cracked me up: "I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I HATE THEM."

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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what does that hve to do with anything, its not only off topic its uncalled for go make a thread about that it might be good.
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You're the one who said this thread was 100% a joke! So was my quote!

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.