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- Idiot must have watched Birth of a Nation (1915) and thought it was a documentary.
- Knows it’s not true and says it anyway to pander to racists.
I used to be a lot more certain it was #2.
I did too, but I think he seems to believe his own lies at this point.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/05/atlantic-kevin-williamson-writer-abortion-504244
The Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg said Thursday the magazine was “parting ways” with newly hired conservative writer Kevin Williamson after fresh evidence emerged that he had endorsed hanging women who get abortions.
Goldberg had initially defended hiring Williamson from National Review despite complaints about his previous writing, some of which critics said was racially insensitive or offensive to transgender people. Much of the criticism involved a 2014 tweet that suggested women who had abortions “should face capital punishment, namely hanging.”
On Wednesday, the liberal research group Media Matters unearthed a podcast in which Williamson expressed the same position.
“The language he used in this podcast — and in my conversations with [Williamson] in recent days — made it clear that the original tweet did, in fact, represent his carefully considered view,” Goldberg told staff in a Thursday memo.
“The tweet was not merely an impulsive, decontextualized, heat-of-the-moment post, as Kevin had explained it,” Goldberg continued. “Furthermore, the language used in the podcast was callous and violent. This runs contrary to The Atlantic’s tradition of respectful, well-reasoned debate, and to the values of our workplace.”
Goldberg described Williamson — who joined last month after a decade at National Review — as “a gifted writer.” But Goldberg said he came to the conclusion “that The Atlantic is not the best fit for his talents, and so we are parting ways.”
Hahahaha, “not the best fit.” What a joke.
Hey, who hasn’t wished death on people that they disagree with? I have, and I do it on a much grander scale:
I hate everybody at the women’s march and I hate everybody at the march for life and I hope the ground splits open and all of them fall into the Earth. Sounds fair and unbiased to me.
In all seriousness, though, Kevin Williamson needs to stick to screenwriting. How he could he go from writing Scream to writing this nonsense?
Just when I was wondering if it was that Kevin Williamson…
Where were you in '77?
‘Former Trump aide approved ‘black ops’ to help Ukraine president’…
Paul Manafort authorised secret media operation that sought to discredit key opponent of then Ukrainian president
I find it ridiculous to refer to a media campaign as “black ops.”
Psy-op then?
To the extent any political campaign is, sure. Getting stories run doesnt strike me as terrible.
Depending on how much is done to hide the sources and methods behind a psy-op, I’d say it could be classified as a black op. Black ops don’t all involve helicopters, IMO the term just marks an certain level of compartmentalized secrecy.
The trouble is that it is common for entities to leverage media sources. Things like briefing favorable media sources, rewriting Wiki entries, and using social media are practically unremarkable. Manafort’s failure to register under FARA is mind-bogglingly dumb. And of course there are the allegations about his money management.
People should be wary of the media, whether or not obviously partisan. Maybe this story was itself planted. Pretty soon you’ll be seeing black helicopters everywhere, or not at all.
The blue elephant in the room.
chyron, I thought you were on the liberal side?
I liked Obama a lot and Obama is not a liberal.
I like that we rarely have liberal or conservative presidents 😉
Do you support laws that make it difficult for illegal aliens to work in the US?
I had to think about it after you asked this, but yes. The fact that they do work that other people don’t want to do, and for less money, is not an excuse. If we have a problem that they conveniently fill, the fact that they fill it doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. Generally, I would prefer the problem (of jobs no one wants to do for the meager money offered) was more obvious so we would be more inclined to fix it.
I had a feeling my question might inspire reflection.
I agree about enforcing the law. Make it fair for all immigrants. If we want to provide more pathways for immigration then do that, as you say. Even conservatives have felt the temptation to offer amnesty (as Reagan did), but then the rule of law never seems to kick in. Not only do illegal aliens suffer but when they commit crimes, those crimes may go unreported (and I don’t just mean tax filing). I’ve also disagreed with Trump’s immigration policies (though I think they are by-and-large legal) but I don’t know what the solution is when both parties seem complacent about the status quo.
The blue elephant in the room.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/05/atlantic-kevin-williamson-writer-abortion-504244
The Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg said Thursday the magazine was “parting ways” with newly hired conservative writer Kevin Williamson after fresh evidence emerged that he had endorsed hanging women who get abortions.
Goldberg had initially defended hiring Williamson from National Review despite complaints about his previous writing, some of which critics said was racially insensitive or offensive to transgender people. Much of the criticism involved a 2014 tweet that suggested women who had abortions “should face capital punishment, namely hanging.”
On Wednesday, the liberal research group Media Matters unearthed a podcast in which Williamson expressed the same position.
“The language he used in this podcast — and in my conversations with [Williamson] in recent days — made it clear that the original tweet did, in fact, represent his carefully considered view,” Goldberg told staff in a Thursday memo.
“The tweet was not merely an impulsive, decontextualized, heat-of-the-moment post, as Kevin had explained it,” Goldberg continued. “Furthermore, the language used in the podcast was callous and violent. This runs contrary to The Atlantic’s tradition of respectful, well-reasoned debate, and to the values of our workplace.”
Goldberg described Williamson — who joined last month after a decade at National Review — as “a gifted writer.” But Goldberg said he came to the conclusion “that The Atlantic is not the best fit for his talents, and so we are parting ways.”
Hahahaha, “not the best fit.” What a joke.
Hey, who hasn’t wished death on people that they disagree with? I have, and I do it on a much grander scale:
I hate everybody at the women’s march and I hate everybody at the march for life and I hope the ground splits open and all of them fall into the Earth. Sounds fair and unbiased to me.
In all seriousness, though, Kevin Williamson needs to stick to screenwriting. How he could he go from writing Scream to writing this nonsense?
Just when I was wondering if it was that Kevin Williamson…
Don’t worry, it isn’t. I’m just glad someone got my reference.
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chyron, I thought you were on the liberal side?
I liked Obama a lot and Obama is not a liberal.
I like that we rarely have liberal or conservative presidents 😉
You’re right about us not having “conservative” presidents in the sense that we haven’t had any fiscal conservatives or anything like that in a long time, but we absolutely have had two fringe leaders in recent memory that represent and pander to the hyper-Christian, nationalistic, and corporate right wing.
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Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”
We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.
Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Also it would be a political nightmare.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”
We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.
Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Words written without any irony whatsoever by a slaveholder.
Also it would be a political nightmare.
I’d certainly hope so.
In related news:
Farmers say they’re having trouble hiring enough people to work during harvest season, causing some crops to rot before they can be picked. Already, the situation has triggered losses of more than $13 million in two California counties alone, according to NBC News.
The ongoing battle about U.S. immigration policies is blamed for the shortage. The vast majority of California’s farm workers are foreign born, with many coming from Mexico. However, the PEW Research Center reports more Mexicans are leaving the U.S. than coming here.
To make the jobs more attractive, farmers are offering salaries above minimum wage, along with paid time off and 401(k) plans, but even that’s not proving enough.
It’s unclear exactly how widespread the labor shortage is for farmers throughout the country, which would have a bigger impact on prices consumers pay. Ultimately, drought and flooding have a more significant impact on farms. Low oil prices could also offset any impact of the worker shortage.
But for farmers, who have seen net farm income fall 50% since 2013, any lost income could be potentially devastating.
“Salaries above minimum wage”?!? Wow, they’re really pulling out all the stops now… I wonder what they were earning before? That’s curiously absent from the article.
The story is California-specific, and the immigration policy driving this is not new, as the article seems to imply. It’s part of a decade-long trend of what happens when that secondary labor market you relied on for cheap labor goes away, in this case due to the aggressive deportation policies of multiple successive administrations.
Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”
We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.
Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Words written without any irony whatsoever by a slaveholder.
So… we just throw them out then?
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I don’t like the attitude some on the left have toward the founding documents. I don’t like the way the right fetishizes them, but it’s completely sane and rational to accept and live by the great words of some of the Founding Fathers without ignoring the problematic aspects of their history.
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Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”
We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.
Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Words written without any irony whatsoever by a slaveholder.
So… we just throw them out then?
I’m saying some people today also see no problem between “all men are created equal” and the overt creation of an underclass, so the conflict does not necessarily indicate any sort of political infeasibility. Yeah, we had slavery before, and we don’t now, but I don’t believe the arc of the moral universe bends toward anything in particular unless we keep pushing it there ourselves.
I don’t like the attitude some on the left have toward the founding documents. I don’t like the way the right fetishizes them, but it’s completely sane and rational to accept and live by the great words of some of the Founding Fathers without ignoring the problematic aspects of their history.
It wasn’t about the words themselves, but how the words were being presented in a “this could never happen in America” defense. Frankly, I had a few things I was pretty sure could never have happened in America not so long ago, and the list is a lot emptier than it used to be.
CatBus said:
Yeah, we had slavery before, and we don’t now, but I don’t believe the arc of the moral universe bends toward anything in particular unless we keep pushing it there ourselves.
Totally agree.
The Person in Question
Continuing my thought re: immigration: In my opinion, we have laws for a reason, and we should make use of them and enforce them. We should not overlook people breaking immigration laws because they’re in a bad spot or because they do jobs we don’t want to do; and we should not have lax gun laws because “criminals don’t obey them anyway.”
We have what I’d call a “nod-and-wink” economy regarding undocumented workers, basically meaning we have two labor markets. We have one above-board market where workers have protections, safety regulations, legal recourse, and so on. And we have another market where workers have none of those things.
Well, we’re certainly not going to establish laws that overtly create second-class citizens (or second-class because-they’re-not-citizens). Just to begin with, the Declaration of Independence itself says “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Words written without any irony whatsoever by a slaveholder.
So… we just throw them out then?
I’m saying some people today also see no problem between “all men are created equal” and the overt creation of an underclass, so the conflict does not necessarily indicate any sort of political infeasibility. Yeah, we had slavery before, and we don’t now, but I don’t believe the arc of the moral universe bends toward anything in particular unless we keep pushing it there ourselves.
Well said.
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On the subject of slavery…
What a nice story.
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What a nightmare.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/06/politics/russia-sanctions-oligarchs/index.html
The Trump administration is unleashing additional sanctions against seven Russian oligarchs with ties to President Vladimir Putin along with 12 companies they own or control.
The punitive actions are the latest escalating step by the US to punish Putin’s inner circle for interfering in the 2016 election and other ongoing aggressions across the globe in Crimea, Ukraine and Syria.
The blue elephant in the room.
Oleg Deripaska is on the list. An unhappy Oleg is bad news for Manafort.
Sounds like a prequel character name.
Where were you in '77?
This is an interesting piece. A lot of pro-police people are trying to justify the murder of Stephon Clark by pointing out that he was an asshole on Twitter and claiming that people, specifically black women, shouldn’t be commenting on this case because of the victim’s personal history. I find it despicable the lengths to which people go to justify police murder. If I went out and shot someone eight times, do you think people would be defending me by pointing out that the victim posted stupid shit on Twitter? Of course not, so why do police get a pass?
The Person in Question
This is a great resource for keeping track of police shootings, killings, and murders by year. 294 so far in 2018.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.c0c6e3888861
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I wonder what percentage of total killings that is for this year… also interesting how many more white people have been killed than any other race.
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It’s still disproportionate, but it doesn’t matter. Cops shoot and kill too many people in this country and the overwhelming lack of body-cam recordings is disturbing too.
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It’s still disproportionate, but it doesn’t matter. Cops shoot and kill too many people in this country and the overwhelming lack of body-cam recordings is disturbing too.
I definitely agree. Not trying to defend the police, just interesting to see actual data.
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The percentage of whit people in the US and white people shot by cops still doesn’t match though, even if they’re both a majority.