- I think we should keep our hands off the Sequels, at least until they’re done.
I agree, and by the time IX is released, they’ll be a lot of edit ideas to pull from once we get to them. I also agree that edits like changing the Jedi robes would be extremely difficult (as cool as it would be) so it maybe keeping elements that lean into that monk concept would be a good idea since it’s how we explain that issue. I do think Outbound’s points should be on a continuity or discussion list though.
You’re all right that this thread could quickly get out of hand. I think we should focus on top level goals before we get into minutiae or even specifics. (BTW, in real life I’m a ‘Solution Designer’, my job is to run projects from beginning to end for customers, where we always outline goals first, long before getting into requirements, then design the solution based on the limitations of the product. And prior to that I was a data analyst, so I have infinite tolerance for spreadsheets and reams of data.)
That is really convenient! Hopefully this kind of thing is a more entertaining project to use your work skills on.
- Individual movies should be as enjoyable as possible
- Individual movies should be as internally consistent and clearly plotted as possible
- The saga as a whole should be as internally consistent and clearly plotted as possible
- The saga as a whole should respect the canon of the TV series as far as reasonable
- The saga as a whole should be as enjoyable as possible
I think this is a really solid goal list. Thanks for taking the time to write all of this out. I feel like “enjoyable” is pretty subjective, but I guess that would come from general consensus on whether people like them or not? I feel like art and film critique rides a thin line between subjective/objective criticism, so it’s the best we can do.
I don’t really have any criticisms of your outline at the moment. I think it is really solid and a good place to work off of.
This item also leaves room for the removal of non-fun elements, like the Droid Factory, and the changes we’ve seen in traditional edits.
I’m the sure this will be a fun future debate, but I know that during Hal’s editing of AOTC, people discussed the Droid Factory scene a bit, and we should eventually discuss the merits of keeping a trimmed/altered version of that scene for pacing/narrative reasons.
One thing I don’t think we need to overthink is whether or not to include anthology movies. Mainly because Rogue One really doesn’t break anything, nor is Solo likely to, now that the Story Group has a good handle on things. I doubt this project will make any demands of either. As I suggested earlier, once we have our goals we should be able to rank existing edits or original versions against them, and we may likely find that we’re closer than we think. In the ideal world we don’t create new edits from scratch, we just tweak our best existing sources to make them CONPoV compliant.
True, though the anthology films are currently in a grey area that might cause some issues later. Like with Rogue One, we see the the Death Star get it’s laser dish in the film, but it already seems to have it at the end of ROTS. You could argue it is a placeholder or etc., but I also think this project is trying to avoid this kind of hand waving when possible. It’s not really a big deal but it’s something worth discussing I think!
I imagine, at least for the prequels, it end up being a fusion of two or three major edits plus some additions of our own. I do think starting the process by looking at the theatrical versions first might be useful, and then comparing them to relevant edits and how they handled their issues.
Again, thanks for breaking this down. This is great.
Needless to say, Han is going to shoot first in these editions.
Definitely so, if no one is against it.
Let’s use the DEED as a base for the OUT and for the prequels use the new canon cuts.
It’ll either be DEED or Revisited, since Revisited fixes so many internal continuity issues already. And I really like NFB’s new canon cuts too. I loved reading his thoughts/motivations on his character changes for Anakin, and he has executed a lot them really well I think! I think his should be one of the major edits we look at.
For the Obi Wan and R2 part, that would work pretty good since it keeps the connection between the two of them. After that, he keeps up his facade with Luke (after he is revived) with his semi truths & stories. That is later reinforced at Obi Wan’s house with his reaction with Luke’s questioning about his father.
I was worried that it might be too much, since within the film we get no explanation of how R2 is an “old friend”, so it does bring up a question within that film. But, ANH does establish Obi and Bail knew each other so I don’t think it would be a stretch to think he might’ve known R2 as well.
Then again, should the audience at that point not immediately know that is Obi-Wan? Are we suppose to be obvlivious like Luke? Might be worth further discussion.