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Both "encode" very similarly. The key difference is that "constant" keeps the same bitrate for the video across the board. This is okay for static shots without a lot of movement. For something like Star Wars, it's a terrible choice because there are alternating scenes of action and non-action. If you set thed bit-rate too low, then an explosion will not be encoded well, resulting in loss of definition or macro-blocking. If you set it too high, then static scenes, like static shots like characters standing around talking to each other eat up bandwidth that could be better used on action scenes.

Variable bitrate (otherwise known as 2nd pass, and occasionally 3rd, 4th, etc., depending on the encoder) will go through and analyze the video to determine the best bit rate for each scene. This is nice, because static scenes are given a low bit-rate, which saves it for scenes which need a higher bit-rate, like explosions. Since the bit-rate use is more efficient, you save disc space as well.

The downside: it can take a lot longer to compile the video, since you are essentially doing it at least twice, if not more. Don't expect to do much with your computer while it's doing this. (Which is a major reason why I set up two. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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BTW Moth3r, hang onto the 925. That is the model currently being messed with.
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ooo! Is this whole suggestive PAL mod capture going to be in the newsletter? I'm very interested in hearing about this!

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Keep your eyes on the site for that stuff, the newsletter is focused on the X0 capture and what we are up to on that front.
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*whew*

Thank you APC. I just had a major power outage and stupidly hadn't saved anything for the past three hours..but my UPS saved my arse yet again. I would've been kicking something if I'd lost that work.
So remember people, SOS. (Save Often Stoopid)

and as you won't remember to do that, go get a UPS...
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That's an impressive site. And if the 2004 DVD's had the picture quality you guys have, I would've been totally happy with it, it's that good.

I have but one question. I may have misinterpreted what your site said, but if you're not distributing this thing (again please correct me if I'm wrong) then why ask for donations, if it's just a private project? Indeed why publicise it at all? I understand the invaluable resources you're putting together (the colour correcting articles alone are pretty spiffy stuff) but why make it a page about your laserdisc transfer if nobody sees hide nor hair of it?

I feel like I'm reading something wrong (it could be that it's 2 AM). Please correct me, (preferably as well as you corrected the colour on those DVD stills. You guys are masters).

Excellent work, keep it up.

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"Our team cannot, for obvious legal reasons, make its work freely available, but no laws can prevent the sharing of the ideas and techniques—from IVTC to rotoscoping, and from aspect ratios to film scanning—that make The XØ Project the best of its kind.

Our team aims to make The XØ Project site the rallying point for those who wish to keep alive the versions of 'Star Wars', 'The Empire Strikes Back', and 'Return of the Jedi' that we all know and love—free from the countless "improvements" made to latter-day versions."

Does that mean that while you're making it, you're not showing bits of what you're working on because the Hammer of Lucasfilm will fall on your head? Or does it just mean that this will remain a private thing? Again - I see no problem with making your own and keeping it (I've been inclined to do similar things myself) but am just wondering if this means it will be released like othe transfers, or if this XO site will merely be a sort of resources page for similar efforts.
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For (obvious) legal reasons, they can't publicy state that they'll be distributing copywrited material. There's a strong chance of a lawsuit there.

However, rest assured that this project will be "shared" amongst fans, torrents, newsgroups, etc. ;-)

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Thanks MeBe and Laserman. Wow, 8 passes. I wish I had software that could do that. TMPGEnc Plus only allows 2 passes. I plan to use variable bitrate since my goal will be dual layer.

MeBe. I know what you are saying. It took my PC 12 hours to encode roughly one hour of footage. I may try out CCE or Procoder someday, but CCE is expensive.

Patrick



"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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That sounds about right. I've had some videos take up to 36 hours (lots of added effects.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
That sounds about right. I've had some videos take up to 36 hours (lots of added effects.)


You must have been using TMPGEnc Plus as well to take that long.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Nope. Always used Vegas.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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If anyone here is in Australia, please bounce me a PM.. It is nice to know who the locals are!
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Heya Laserman, I'm a Kiwi. Local enough?
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At least you are far enough away from us mainlanders.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I'm Australian - but in perth, so if you're in the Eastern States you're far away enough to be in another country.
VADER: Let me look on you with my own eyes...

LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_S6UgkQk0
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Not sure if this has been already asked yet (and I don't want to get into a debate of what's better), but I'm assuming this set will be released in the true letterbox 235:1 or whatever. Any chance we can get this in anaphormic? Maybe there could be 2 sets (once the 1st one's done of course) for people who want both. Is that possible?
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Anamorphic, definitely. Letterbox, maybe.


Originally posted by: DarkGruson
Zion,

Check your PM!


Dude, I swear I replied to you the day you sent that PM. Something's wrong with my account or something. I guess having 122 messages saved might be a problem.

On that note, CRAYON please turn on private messages in your profile, I can't reply to your message until you do.

Edit: Actually, I think I'm having the same problem with you DarkGruson. Please go to your profile and make sure the "Allow private messages" button is set to "on."

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[X0 Project]
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zion, is there any way you or Jay could make PMs automatic on new accounts?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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To the members of the X0 Project team,

Thank you for all of your work in this undertaking. I just came across your site today and am very exicted to see the work you are doing. I have an X9 laserdisc player and the Faces laserdiscs, and so far your screenshots look great, and will be thrilled to see the final versions. I will be donating to your cause to keep the project rolling. Thanks so much.
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Hi y'all, a new member here, from the Netherlands (yes that little country where they invented the laserdisc, the CD and the DVD). About anamorphic/non-anamorphic, I have a 32" Philips widescreen TV, and first saw Isomix, TR47 and EditDroid. I must say at the time I was pretty satisfied with them, but then I saw Dr. Gonzo's and it totally blasted them away in picture quality, despite it being a bit unsharp. The reason why: Dr. Gonzo's is anamorphic. The way I see it there can be no debate about which is better, non-anamorphic always is inferior to anamorphic. I was really amazed by the X0 stills I've seen, when they're done I doubt you'd see much - if any - difference between them and the official DVD's. You guys are magicians.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Originally posted by: GrinderThe reason why: Dr. Gonzo's is anamorphic. The way I see it there can be no debate about which is better, non-anamorphic always is inferior to anamorphic. I was really amazed by the X0 stills I've seen, when they're done I doubt you'd see much - if any - difference between them and the official DVD's. You guys are magicians.


Of course his version will look better...on your own setup. There are a lot of people who don't own widescreen televisions and for those cases, letterbox will be ideal. Your claim of non-anamorphic material being "always inferior" is a simplistic and somewhat naive opinion.

Anamorphic isn't at all ideal in the grand scheme of things (sometimes I get the impression that people just throw that term a little too loosely). What would be the greatest thing ev-ah, is non-anamorphic, hi-def, widescreen images.

However, due to the limitations of the DVD standard in conjuction with outdated NTSC/PAL standards, anamorphic based material is the best way to get a nice image on 16x9 televisions.

I can't wait until HD becomes the norm...

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Hmm... but isn't it right that anamorphic just contains more information in the vertical dimention. How can that look less good then an image containing less information (on a regular TV-screen). It seems logical that it would look at least as good. I bought this TV just a month ago btw, before that I also had a 21" regular TV, but I've never experienced anamorpic DVD's looking different from non-anamorphics. It seems to me you just don't notice it being anamorphic on a regular TV, but do notice it on a bigger screen. Or am I missing something here?

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.