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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 247

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SilverWook said:

We’re on 2.0 with the prequels already. 😉
AOTC and ROTS will still be stuck in 1080p forever since they weren’t shot on film.

I’m out of the loop… 2.0?

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The G said:

SilverWook said:

We’re on 2.0 with the prequels already. 😉
AOTC and ROTS will still be stuck in 1080p forever since they weren’t shot on film.

I’m out of the loop… 2.0?

2.0 as in like a software update. Lucas seems to treat his movies like computer software. All three films have been altered since they were in theaters. TPM theatrical cut only came out on VHS and Laserdisc. Creepy Puppet Yoda™ was replaced with CGI for the Blu-Ray. AOTC and ROTS have had less obvious changes but they’re there.

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Matt.F said:

rodneyfaile said:

Episode IX releases in theaters December 2019, so a blu-ray release in 2020, ad sometime after that will be an inevitable new boxed set that includes the entire saga (late 2020? early 2021? other?). I wonder if it will be 4K and will it contain the unaltered originals?

Disney will probably be clever and only include the unaltered originals in the 4K full saga box set. The only way to own the unaltered originals is to also buy Attack Of The Clones - that is the heavy price you must pay!

I cant even begin to imagine how bad some of the CG in the prequels will look in 4K a couple of years from now. I know Star Wars and ‘Special Editions’ don’t have a great track record, but if Disney came out and announced they were modernising the Prequels CGI up to present day standards for a Special Edition then I wouldn’t object!

I know I’m in the vast minority for this, but the CGI in the prequels doesn’t bother me at all when I’m watching the films. When I stop to pause and analyse the frames it sticks out, but in the context of the movie I reckon it works.

Not enough people read the EU.

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Yeah look better is tricky when your lens choices are so minimal.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

It amuses me that you can shoot a whole movie on an iPhone now and it will look better and have a higher resolution than the prequels ever will.

It is amazing but I just watched the trailer. It looks like it was recorded on a camera phone (not great). Perhaps that’s what they were aiming for considering the subject of the movie.

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

Matt.F said:

rodneyfaile said:

Episode IX releases in theaters December 2019, so a blu-ray release in 2020, ad sometime after that will be an inevitable new boxed set that includes the entire saga (late 2020? early 2021? other?). I wonder if it will be 4K and will it contain the unaltered originals?

Disney will probably be clever and only include the unaltered originals in the 4K full saga box set. The only way to own the unaltered originals is to also buy Attack Of The Clones - that is the heavy price you must pay!

I cant even begin to imagine how bad some of the CG in the prequels will look in 4K a couple of years from now. I know Star Wars and ‘Special Editions’ don’t have a great track record, but if Disney came out and announced they were modernising the Prequels CGI up to present day standards for a Special Edition then I wouldn’t object!

I know I’m in the vast minority for this, but the CGI in the prequels doesn’t bother me at all when I’m watching the films. When I stop to pause and analyse the frames it sticks out, but in the context of the movie I reckon it works.

Samezies, a simple rerender at a higher resolution would look good enough for me since so much of the frikkin movies are cgi then just upscale the actors lol.

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Creox said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

It amuses me that you can shoot a whole movie on an iPhone now and it will look better and have a higher resolution than the prequels ever will.

It is amazing but I just watched the trailer. It looks like it was recorded on a camera phone (not great). Perhaps that’s what they were aiming for considering the subject of the movie.

There’s a certain novelty to it. For far less than the cost of a Hollywood movie camera, one can shoot with a DSLR these days and get professional results. There are already 4K camcorders on the market.

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Matt.F said:
Reality check - The Last Jedi is a children’s film about wizards with laser swords, space battles and fantastical adventures.

Several problems with your “reality check”: (1) You missed the part of reality in which this is a forum dedicated to Star Wars – in which context (over)analysis is the order of the day.

(2) The “it’s just a kids’ fantasy” argument presupposes that we should accept lower storytelling standards for kids’ stories. Which makes zero sense.

(3) Why should Star Wars be viewed as necessarily /or/ only for kids, or considered only from a kid’s point of view? This presupposes that science-fantasy is only a child’s genre, and/or that Star Wars as a franchise can’t or shouldn’t mature in its storytelling. Yet for some reason the TLJ apologists have no problem with its obvious adult themes. The themes themselves are entirely valid; its the execution that was sorely lacking, and in fact unjustifiable.

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DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

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TV’s Frink said:
I’d say there’s a disconnect between your [list of unresolved questions] and the [post] you quoted.

Not at all. I construed the term “continuity” as referring to an obvious relationship with, and natural progression from, TFA. But there simply wasn’t much.

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DominicCobb said:
One thing I don’t get is not liking the movie but still buying the blu-ray. A year later I don’t even own Rogue One and I actually quite liked that.

I’d agree if I wasn’t into the whole reediting thing. That will be my reason for buying the Blu-ray. If I had no intention of reediting this 5/10 film, I wouldn’t buy any version of it.

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Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists?

To quote Poe from The Last Jedi: “Shut up.”

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707

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Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

Ha, “apologist,” that’s funny (amongst other things).

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Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

Why does Rian owe you an explanation? Part of the reason I liked the movie was that there was no explanation for her powers or where she came from…as of YET. Even if there isn’t one forthcoming I am fine with just understanding she came from nowhere.

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JawsTDS said:

Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists?

To quote Poe from The Last Jedi: “big ass door”

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Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

I agree with many of your criticisms, but you’d get less pushback if you didn’t refer to TLJ’s fans as apologists — not because the label is incorrect, but because the label has taken on a negative connotation in modern discourse.

I don’t agree with people who think TLJ is a good Star Wars story/movie, but that doesn’t mean they’re making excuses for something they know deep down isn’t good, which I think is what many would call an “apologist” today.

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Jay said:

Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

I agree with many of your criticisms, but you’d get less pushback if you didn’t refer to TLJ’s fans as apologists — not because the label is incorrect

It’s not? In what way would you say it’s correct?

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TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

Gothamknight said:

DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

I agree with many of your criticisms, but you’d get less pushback if you didn’t refer to TLJ’s fans as apologists — not because the label is incorrect

It’s not? In what way would you say it’s correct?

Hate to be that guy, but:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/apologist

There’s nothing in that definition that hints at it being a slur of any kind.

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