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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister? — Page 10
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I blame Obamacare
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I blame Obamacare
LoL
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4-1/2 months later, a response!
the poster below…
Oh hai 10-year bump.
…would like a word with you.
Yep, Georgie boy was definitely making things up as he went along. He never should’ve fired Gary Kurtz. Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back but George scrapped that idea much to my chagrin. Instead they went with the version of episode 6 that follows a lot of the same beats as episode 4 does. It’s also quite similar to episode 7. Too much repetition in this saga if ya ask me.
“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
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4-1/2 months later, a response!
the poster below…
Oh hai 10-year bump.
…would like a word with you.
I’m not sure what your point is but ok.
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Yep, Georgie boy was definitely making things up as he went along. He never should’ve fired Gary Kurtz. Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back but George scrapped that idea much to my chagrin. Instead they went with the version of episode 6 that follows a lot of the same beats as episode 4 does. It’s also quite similar to episode 7. Too much repetition in this saga if ya ask me.
“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
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Yep, Georgie boy was definitely making things up as he went along. He never should’ve fired Gary Kurtz. Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back but George scrapped that idea much to my chagrin. Instead they went with the version of episode 6 that follows a lot of the same beats as episode 4 does. It’s also quite similar to episode 7. Too much repetition in this saga if ya ask me.
“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
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1 moar tim pls
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“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
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1 moar tim pls
I don’t even know how it has any relevance to what I’m saying, let alone what it is.
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1 moar tim pls
I don’t even know how it has any relevance to what I’m saying, let alone what it is.
It’s a reply to what another poster (Jim Smith) said on the subject. It says it right in my post (“quote: Jim Smith”). He made the claim that originally ROTJ was going to be a ‘dark’ film like Empire, to which I posted a rebuttal
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I typed up another response but it’s pointless.
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I typed up another response but it’s pointless.
So better post it at least 3 times then?
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Lol.
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ToscheStation said:
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
Source?
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ToscheStation said:
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
Source?
The Making of Star Wars (JW Rinzler, 2007). It was during a story meeting with Kurtz and writer Alan Dean Foster. In it, he also said that at the end of the second book, “we find out WHO Darth Vader is”. (emphasis mine)
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ToscheStation said:
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
Source?
The Making of Star Wars (JW Rinzler, 2007). It was during a story meeting with Kurtz and writer Alan Dean Foster. In it, he also said that at the end of the second book, “we find out WHO Darth Vader is”. (emphasis mine)
Those Making Of stories have long been shown to be Lucas revision many times over. No different than his attempts to revise history in other written forms, documentaries, and interviews.
Sadly, I don’t believe a single word he says any more. He’s lied so many times over the past few decades that whenever I hear his voice or see a written piece, I automatically assume he’s lying. It’s what he does. Whenever he gives an interview, he might as well be burping the alphabet.
On the Star Wars website, they don’t exactly shy away from the fact that he tries to change history. Here’s a link about the invention of Midichlorians and how they didn’t exist in 1977, regardless of what was written in Rinzler’s book.
http://www.starwars.com/news/so-what-the-heck-are-midi-chlorians
“Please note: While we were preparing the text for The Making of Star Wars, Lucas added a note to this passage about midi-chlorians, bringing his original words in line with his later thoughts…”
Lucas wouldn’t have been discussing a second sequel two years before the original film even had a finished script. It didn’t even have a finished story at that point.
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“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
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Yep, Georgie boy was definitely making things up as he went along. He never should’ve fired Gary Kurtz. Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back but George scrapped that idea much to my chagrin. Instead they went with the version of episode 6 that follows a lot of the same beats as episode 4 does. It’s also quite similar to episode 7. Too much repetition in this saga if ya ask me.
“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”
The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:
“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”
The third “book” they talks about was NOT ROTJ. This was to be the later episodes. Right up until ROTJ was in pre-production, ROTJ was not to be the final episode. The confrontation with the Emperor and defeat of the empire was to have been in those later episodes. Episode 6 WAS originally going to be darker. With Luke being separated from his friends at the end, going off to search for his sister (who was not Leia). When Lucas decided he didn’t want to make any more SW films, he brought those plans forward, dropped the search for the “other” Skywalker and made Leia the sister.
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Also, Skywalker wasn’t even the name until the movie started filming in 1976. It’s still Starkiller in the shooting script.
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I understand that Leia being Luke’s sister was a really bad decision. Ok, I got it that GL didn’t want to make more Star Wars movies as he intended to, and there wouldn’t be an explanation for the “other” as he intended if he didn’t go for the Leia’s solution.
So what? I would leave this as a mystery. People would argue for years who the “other” was, and if I were GL, I would never give any hint about it. It would also be like: “Is Deckard a replicant or not”? “Would the “other” be related to Skywalker family or not?” “Will the mystery be solved in a new movie if GL ever decides to do it?” There would be novels that would try to explain who the other was, but there would be never an official explanation.
Not only that would not screw things up with Leia and Luke characters, but it would make the history more appealing by leaving things to people’s imagination. But GL decided to destroy his own creation. He’s not much as a writer I guess.
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That gives me an idea for a ROTJ fan edit. In this one, I would make Leia’s not being Luke’s sister. It is much better and if you took that info from the movie, it doesn’t bring any problems to the new sequel trilogy.
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I understand that Leia being Luke’s sister was a really bad decision. Ok, I got it that GL didn’t want to make more Star Wars movies as he intended to, and there wouldn’t be an explanation for the “other” as he intended if he didn’t go for the Leia’s solution.
So what? I would leave this as a mystery. People would argue for years who the “other” was, and if I were GL, I would never give any hint about it. It would also be like: “Is Deckard a replicant or not”? “Would the “other” be related to Skywalker family or not?” “Will the mystery be solved in a new movie if GL ever decides to do it?” There would be novels that would try to explain who the other was, but there would be never an official explanation.
Not only that would not screw things up with Leia and Luke characters, but it would make the history more appealing by leaving things to people’s imagination. But GL decided to destroy his own creation. He’s not much as a writer I guess.
Nope, Lucas ain’t much of a writer. That’s why we got universe-shrinkage, midi-chlorians, a mystery subplot which went nowhere, and a whole lot of other crap which didn’t need focusing on in the prequels.
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Sounds like you’re talking about TFA/TLJ/The Sequel Trilogy :
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Nope, Lucas ain’t much of a writer. That’s why we got universe-shrinkage, a mystery subplot which went nowhere, and a whole lot of other crap which didn’t need focusing on in the prequels.
“Universe-shrinkage” (wut) - Sequel trilogy solution: Rey is “nobody”, Rebels Vs. Empire 2.0
"Midi-chlorians" - S. T. solution: Force-download-presto-instant-Jedi!
“Mystery subplot which went nowhere” - Sequel trilogy (ahem): Rey’s parents/Jakku, Snoke
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Those Making Of stories have long been shown to be Lucas revision many times over. No different than his attempts to revise history in other written forms, documentaries, and interviews.
Yes, we’ve known about the latter-day interpolations in that book. But if you take the quote about midi’s at face value, all it means it that he had the concept of midi-chlorian back then in 77, but he wasn’t using that word for it at the time. And he said that they were found in certain alien species, not humans (and certainly wasn’t in reference to any ‘chosen one’).
The excerpt from that Dec 1975 conference is not a revisionist interpolation. Note that he says that Luke gets the girl, instead of Han. He says that Han leaves at the end of the second book, not gets frozen and captured by a bounty hunter…and note that the ‘leaving’ subplot is taken up again once he and Leigh Brackett start writing the sequel in late 77. Also we find out who Darth Vader at the end of the second book, which merely suggests a secret identity under the mask. If this was a Lucas revisionist bit, he would have said, “we find out that Vader is Luke’s father/Annikin Starkiller(Skywalker)”. Something to consider.
Lucas wouldn’t have been discussing a second sequel two years before the original film even had a finished script. It didn’t even have a finished story at that point.
December 1975 is not two years before the finished script. The script was finished in March 1976 (the 15th I believe). That was about three months away. What intervened in those months - during January to be precise - were the budget cuts demanded by Fox as a condition of the go-ahead/green-lighting of production. In making these cuts, Lucas had to come to terms with reality and make the story/film work as a stand-alone picture, should sequels not get made. He was forced to think pragmatically. That is where the idea of killing off Ben came in. Anyway, he has said that prior to that, in the period between drafts three and four, he deliberately came up with ideas as to what happened before the current story (SW), and what happened after (sequels). Despite your objection, he was considering two sequels during that time (Dec 75).