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" Well that was a waste of 40 mins download"

For a second, I thought you were referring to my DVD.

Boy, that was kinda fun to watch again. I don't think I watched my own DVD more than 2 times after I made it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Doctor M wrote:

I finally got it. I can help seed a torrent if someone will put it up on MySpleen.

Btw, it's a combination of several scenes totaling 2 minutes. PCM audio only.






Or people could just download the DVD.
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I've got to say that I really like that box design! And is that a Kenner proof of purchase seal on the back?

Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
I've got to say that I really like that box design! And is that a Kenner proof of purchase seal on the back?



THANKS! - Yep, kinda

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Naw, go ahead. That transfer's a year old, and I've learned a lot of new tricks since then. Believe me, I see lots of things I can improve on (and could easily do so, at this point.) I'd like to see what other people notice as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Looks like a lot of effort (and $$$) is going into this one, so here's hoping it produces a new level of quality.

A couple things I noticed:

PCM audio? That's going to chew up a ton of bandwidth from the video. Other versions w/ PCM have suffered from loss of detail and pixellation...

There's some pretty visible halo-ing around outlines, probably caused by aggressive sharpening to reduce the softness that a LD transfer tends to come with.

Good luck!
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I believe I used some light sharpening, and another filter to get rid of dot crawl - neither of which will be used next time.

Another mistake I made was after IVTCing, I encoded it in Vegas with 3-2 Pulldown. What I didn't know at the time is that this de-IVTC'ed the video! Thus, the space I was supposed to save for all my soundtracks was not nearly as much as I would have wanted. (which was the ultimate goal for this "proof of concept" DVD: PCM 2.0, new AC3 5.1, and commentary track.)

If you get the full DVD, you'll notice that it's filled to the brim. I recompiled 3 times to get the video bit-rate as high as I could go. If I were to re-IVTC, and then apply PULLDOWN.EXE (a program with which I was unaware of at the time), then the video bit-rate would be much higher, resulting in fewer artifacts.

Like I said, I've learned a lot since then.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Ah well if it's an old out-of-date version then ok; incorrect aspect ratio ("I'm crushing your head! I'm crushing your head!"), over saturated colours, looking slightly out-of-focus, too dark (black levels crushed) but apart from that the audio is good

Don't worry I'll probably get a roasting over the grain in my release when I'm finished, but the grain is there only because I'm not using any filters that do any sort of temporal smoothing, I'm getting excellent clarity from the PAL laserdiscs so much so that temporal smoothing isn't really needed.
A friend of mine has a decent £300 soundcard+breakout box setup which I'm planning on using to capture the audio from my definitive collection at 96khz, so that any noise reduction I apply to it will be done before converting down to 48khz for the PCM audio on the DVDs. I've decided to make my set dual-layer so will be able to afford the space PCM takes up, as well as the commentary audio, 5.1 upmixed audio and extras, just means distribution will be a little difficult but I'm mainly making this set for myself so...
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" Ah well if it's an old out-of-date version then ok; incorrect aspect ratio ("I'm crushing your head! I'm crushing your head!"), over saturated colours, looking slightly out-of-focus, too dark (black levels crushed) but apart from that the audio is good"

Well, it was anamorphic, but I didn't do any resizing beyond zooming into the picture (which resulted in a lack of detail), and I kinda eyeballed the colors. I have much better calibration tools now, and know how to use Vegas' color correction tools as well.

The audio *should* be good: It's a direct copy of the LD PCM track through the digital optical output. Can't get any better than that.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I'm half wondering wether to spash out on a Spyder monitor colour calibrator or not, I bought my 2 PCs identical monitors, each has a Matrox agp gfx card (a G550 and a G450 eTV) but the colours between them are different even when the Matrox colour setup is at default and the monitor settings are identical, so I'm working on a combination of the two and my tv when doing DVD-RW test burns or outputting from my hardware mpeg2 decoder.

My laserdisc player doesn't have optical out, nor s-video but I'm getting very satisfactory results nevertheless.
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"nor s-video"

Don't worry about this, LD is composite video, and the comb filter in your video capture card probably does a better job than the one in your player anyways. The X0 Project was captured in composite.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Is there a reason you're using PCM instead of AC3? That's about 1300kbps you're losing for an unnoticable difference in audio quality...
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Don't believe everything Dolby Labs tells you ( ), and again, this DVD was a "Proof in Concept" - not intended as a final product. It also contains my 5.1 soundtrack created from the PCM (which a great deal of research and effort went into, as opposed to some sets that just drop a WAV file into a AC3 encoder.)

Besides, with just a few tweaks, the video would have taken up far less space, and looked immensely better as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Actually, I was remembering comparing my own PCM audio to AC3...

Hmm, how did you make a 5.1 track from a 2.0 source?
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Graphedit simulates a Pro-Logic II decoder, and turns the 2.0 source into a 6-channel WAV, which is split up into individual WAVs and recompiled as an AC3 in Vegas.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Is it possible to only get the two audio files for comparison?

I'm also very sad that I can't find on myspleen any audio only releases, so I could do a dvd with the audio parts I need, like german and english tracks and maybe the music only track from isomix...
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I'll see what I can do about a comparison file.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Well, I thought more about the whole audio file

My 'project' is doing a set with german sound and the best picture I can get, some basic menus I'll do with DVD studio pro, but beside the menus I'll just use existing footage and won't realese it since it's for my brother who doesn't speaks english...
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Citizen, go buy that spyder, any colour work is useless if you haven't fully calibrated your monitors, and remember - preview everything on a broadcast monitor, or at least a calibrated TV - go pick up the video essentials DVD (DVE) or similar if ya haven't already.
Colours on your computer screen vs colours on a tele are massively different.
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I'd like to go and buy that Spyder tomorrow but today hasn't been good to me, what I was hoping was going to be some video work coming in to make some decent money to get new/better equipment didn't happen and now I'm in an even worse mood because some pissant eBay seller wants an extra $5 after I paid an received the item, their reasoning? they forgot to set the invoice postage to $15 instead of the $10 they did set and I did pay. The postage label on the package was $1.60...


The colour difference between monitors/tv, I have a Sigma Hollywood+ hardware mpeg decoder card in each of my PC's (it was easier to buy a 2nd one for £9 instead of moving the single one over ) which I use for testing mpeg files and compiled DVDs on a proper tv before burning anything to disc, and even then I've been burning test clips to DVD-RW to test on different tvs. I'm pretty satisfied with the colour/brightness results I'm getting anyway, sometimes I think getting things like a Spyder is overkill as this is all just for fun and I won't be making any money from it when completed so why bother.
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Well, it is easy to recover the Spyder money, offer a monitor calibration service for digital photographers and people in general.
Go calibrate 10 monitors and you have made a profit
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"and now I'm in an even worse mood because some pissant eBay seller wants an extra $5 after I paid an received the item, their reasoning? they forgot to set the invoice postage to $15 instead of the $10 they did set and I did pay. The postage label on the package was $1.60..."

Give him negative feedback then. It's not your fault he screwed up. Be sure to include the actual amount on the postage label.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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The eBay thing, I already left a positive feedback when I received it, however if they do neg me they're only 100% (32) after 6 months on eBay whilst I'm 100% (502) after 5.5 years on eBay and can always leave a followup reply to theirs and then complain to eBay about the excessive shipping charges & get SquareTrade on the case. I've decided to ignore their email and see what happens, replying to it without paying will probably make things worse no matter what's said in the email. Oops just noticed how badly this is going off topic.


Hmm not a bad idea on the monitor calibration service, just need to find 10 suckers... I found I installed some program ages ago called "Monitor Calibration Wizard" which adjusts the gamma based on a set of visual settings to adjust, might give it a whirl on both my machines at the same time and see if I can get them to show the same picture without any colour differences.
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MeBeJedi:
Under the heading of AC3 versus PCM audio.
Would I be correct to assume that if the audio wasn't upmixed to 5.1 for the AC3 track that home theaters would decode the DD track as 2.0 (left and right only), whereas a stereo PCM track would be passed to the ProLogic decoder and be played as 4.0 (3/1.0)?

Dr. M