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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

i suppose you can believe whatever you want, despite our saying the opposite?

I suppose I can.

yay, end of that particular discussion then.

Well you don’t want to participate anymore, that is fine. But please don’t speak for anyone else.

He speaks for me.

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

i suppose you can believe whatever you want, despite our saying the opposite?

I suppose I can.

yay, end of that particular discussion then.

Well you don’t want to participate anymore, that is fine. But please don’t speak for anyone else.

Yeah, that’s Warbler’s job!

I kid, I kid… 😋

The blue elephant in the room.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

i suppose you can believe whatever you want, despite our saying the opposite?

I suppose I can.

yay, end of that particular discussion then.

Well you don’t want to participate anymore, that is fine. But please don’t speak for anyone else.

He speaks for me.

Then you are free not to participate as well.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

i suppose you can believe whatever you want, despite our saying the opposite?

I suppose I can.

yay, end of that particular discussion then.

Well you don’t want to participate anymore, that is fine. But please don’t speak for anyone else.

He speaks for me.

Then you are free not to participate as well.

yay

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

Almost like Frink is trying to prove the article right!

The blue elephant in the room.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

i suppose you can believe whatever you want, despite our saying the opposite?

What people say they’d do in a situation like that is rarely what they actually would do.

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Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

Almost like Frink is trying to prove the article right!

😃

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Speaking for myself, I don’t think whether whomever it is says they have (or don’t have) such-and-such cultural ancestry is relevant. Neither left nor right.

Attacking Senator Warren for saying her family told her she is of Cherokee descent; or attacking Obama because his mother is white or his father is African. Or whatever.

It’s the deliberate distraction from more important issues, that is the goal of such accusations, that I have serious issues with. eg. “But her emails!”

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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This “debate” is, frankly, pretty dumb.

Was it silly for Warren to put down that she was part Native American all those years ago? Sure, of course. Would it be extra silly for her to bring it up now? Yeah, but as far as I know she only talks about it when people attack her about it. It should be irrelevant at this point.

As for how I’d be reacting if a Republican was in the same position, it depends a bit. If they’re someone who’s serially dishonest like Trump, of course I’d be a lot more skeptical. If they were exactly the same as Warren I promise I truly wouldn’t care (not like there’s anyway to convince warb once he’s set his mind on something). The fact that she doesn’t look Native American shouldn’t matter, it’s honestly pretty rude and ignorant to think that someone of specific heritage needs to look a specific way.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

You quoted an article that said that, and proclaimed it “truth.”

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

So where’s the “truth” at? Is it universal? Or do you know the writer personally?

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There’s some truth behind some of these political stereotypes.

Liberals are famous for infighting and never being able to come to an agreement on anything. Not that they don’t occasionally find a point of agreement, but voicing any opinion on anything at all is asking for an argument, simply because that’s how it works on that side of the fence. Put any two liberals in a room and they will quickly find something they disagree strongly about. It’s the “diversity is strength” way of looking at things. The differences are laid bare for all too see, because it’s the differences that define the group.

Conservatives are famous for showing a united front. They may disagree about things behind the scenes, certainly, but open disagreement is unseemly (Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment). If they can find enough to get along about, they’ll march forward with that and work out the differences quietly, in private. When it comes to changing their minds, it can appear as if they all change their minds simultaneously, but that isn’t true. There’s still an underlying disagreement, but the working ideological coalition has simply shifted.

So when a conservative encounters a liberal, they get met with arguments, and that seems like hostility. When a liberal encounters a conservative, they get met with the same restrained unified front they get with other conservatives, which seems very creepy in a polite automaton sort of way. From a distance, liberals appear to zealously eat their own (Al Franken), while conservatives appear to welcome monsters (Roy Moore), but really there are disagreements on both sides, just different ways of expressing them.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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I do not throw my hat in with the idea that conservatives are easy to disagree/debate with while progressives are not. I certainly know conservatives in real life who are particularly opinionated and stubborn in their views, and with whom I would have a difficult time validating my position.

I know my saying so is anecdotal, but I suspect the whole argument either way is.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Mrebo said:

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

As a progressive, I find this article to be depressingly accurate. And I’ll definitely admit that I’m often guilty of this, too.

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chyron8472 said:

I do not throw my hat in with the idea that conservatives are easy to disagree/debate with while progressives are not. I certainly know conservatives in real life who are particularly opinionated and stubborn in their views, and with whom I would have a difficult time validating my position.

I know my saying so is anecdotal, but I suspect the whole argument either way is.

Pretty much this, the article’s thesis has not been my experience at all.

I actually couldn’t even make it through the whole thing, some of the things they’re saying are pretty off base and definitely opinionated (you would think an article like this should be neutral).

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

You quoted an article that said that, and proclaimed it “truth.”

I quoted part of the article and proclaimed it “truth”.

The part I quoted does not say that only Conservatives are rational.

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CatBus said:

So when a conservative encounters a liberal, they get met with arguments, and that seems like hostility.

that seems like hostility? okay. I’m not even Conservative and I’ve been met with arguments “that seem like hostility”.

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Well, there’s also just hostile people unrelated to political leanings. But yeah, IMO liberals are used to a pretty unfiltered sort of argument where you’re even free to say dumb things, but with the expectation that those dumb things will be pointed out to you. Liberals argue, but it’s because there’s an implicit expectation that you argue back.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

You quoted an article that said that, and proclaimed it “truth.”

I quoted part of the article and proclaimed it “truth”.

The part I quoted does not say that only Conservatives are rational.

Let’s look back:

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have.

In short, Conservatives are rational.

But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

Or; I won’t argue with progressives because I fear they are not rational.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Well the left leaning bias is on full display here. I have no doubt if a major Republican politician claimed to be part Native American and didn’t look anything like a Native American, people in here would be saying take a DNA test or fess up.

I don’t know if people in here would be saying that but I’m pretty sure there would be plenty of mocking.

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have. But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

truth.

Ah yes, only Conservatives are rational. Yay.

that is not what I said.

You quoted an article that said that, and proclaimed it “truth.”

I quoted part of the article and proclaimed it “truth”.

The part I quoted does not say that only Conservatives are rational.

Let’s look back:

When I disagree with a conservative friend or colleague on some political issue, I have no fear of speaking my mind. I talk, they listen, they respond, I talk some more, and at the end of it we get along just as we always have.

In short, Conservatives are rational.

But I’ve discovered that when a progressive friend says something with which I disagree or that I know to be incorrect, I’m hesitant to point it out.

Or; I won’t argue with progressives because I fear they are not rational.

interesting interpretation.

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Deleted. I would hate to send anyone into hiding again due to my meanness.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Mrebo said:

On the topic of bias and arguments, this article on “progressive hostility” looks compelling. I’ve only read a little of it but I’ve heard similar complaints from people I know.

As a progressive, I find this article to be depressingly accurate. And I’ll definitely admit that I’m often guilty of this, too.

But as was stated a few times already, it’s anecdotal. It lines up with your experience, with some of us others here, it doesn’t.

Which is fine. My issue is declaring it “truth” like it’s some universal constant.