I think it’d be neat to have two “fixed” versions of the TLJ Yoda scene for fan editors to use as sources - one that fixes the mouth to be ESB/ROTJ puppet-accurate, and one that additionally “fixes” the mouth movements a la Adywan’s ESB:R.
If I was any decent at that kind of stuff I’d do it myself, but sadly I’m shit at animation/motion graphics type stuff (that was the only film/video class I failed in college).
You’re forgetting a third option to make it more like creepy puppet Yoda.
I think it’d be neat to have two “fixed” versions of the TLJ Yoda scene for fan editors to use as sources - one that fixes the mouth to be ESB/ROTJ puppet-accurate, and one that additionally “fixes” the mouth movements a la Adywan’s ESB:R.
If I was any decent at that kind of stuff I’d do it myself, but sadly I’m shit at animation/motion graphics type stuff (that was the only film/video class I failed in college).
Yeah, the ESB:R Yoda is very nice. I don’t know exactly how adywan pulled that off, but once I’m working on Yoda’s face I’ll likely experiment with some enhanced mouth movements.
I think it’d be neat to have two “fixed” versions of the TLJ Yoda scene for fan editors to use as sources - one that fixes the mouth to be ESB/ROTJ puppet-accurate, and one that additionally “fixes” the mouth movements a la Adywan’s ESB:R.
If I was any decent at that kind of stuff I’d do it myself, but sadly I’m shit at animation/motion graphics type stuff (that was the only film/video class I failed in college).
Yeah, the ESB:R Yoda is very nice. I don’t know exactly how adywan pulled that off, but once I’m working on Yoda’s face I’ll likely experiment with some enhanced mouth movements.
I think he used the puppet warp tool. (Or whatever the After Effects equivalent is called of that photoshop tool. Can’t remember if it’s called something different, but it performs the same function.)
I think he did the subtle movement of the cantina aliens the same way.
I think it’d be neat to have two “fixed” versions of the TLJ Yoda scene for fan editors to use as sources - one that fixes the mouth to be ESB/ROTJ puppet-accurate, and one that additionally “fixes” the mouth movements a la Adywan’s ESB:R.
If I was any decent at that kind of stuff I’d do it myself, but sadly I’m shit at animation/motion graphics type stuff (that was the only film/video class I failed in college).
Yeah, the ESB:R Yoda is very nice. I don’t know exactly how adywan pulled that off, but once I’m working on Yoda’s face I’ll likely experiment with some enhanced mouth movements.
I think he used the puppet warp tool. (Or whatever the After Effects equivalent is called of that photoshop tool. Can’t remember if it’s called something different, but it performs the same function.)
I think he did the subtle movement of the cantina aliens the same way.
I’m aware of the puppet warp tool, but I’ve only used it on image layers, not video. I’m curious of how he made the warp mesh follow the face. Perhaps you could stabilize the face, warp it, and then “destabilize” it. It could also be possible to use displacement maps which follow the face and fade in and out to displace parts of the face. I guess I’ll just have to experiment a bit.
Sir Ridley said:
The puppet is pretty great otherwise, but the mouth is so important for his appearance. It looks like he lost his teeth.Hence my argument that a muppet should be used for Yoda, but with CGI mouth movements. In fact, I see no reason the same approach couldn’t be taken with a host of characters that are either animatronics or actors with prosthetics. The Nemoidians are examples of the latter, and while they were lame characters anyway, because of the writing, at the very least they would have looked better if their mouths had been animated.
The Neimoidians were originally meant to be CGI using the design that was eventually used for the Geonosians (hence why the battle droids resemble them). However, despite what the special features might have you believe, CGI was not all-powerful in 1999, so they had to make them with masks. Maybe they had simply blown the budget on Watto and the Gungans?
I just watched a comparison clip of Yoda in Revisited, and I honestly can’t tell the difference.
I just watched a comparison clip of Yoda in Revisited, and I honestly can’t tell the difference.
You don’t notice the very obvious lip movements?
I just watched a comparison clip of Yoda in Revisited, and I honestly can’t tell the difference.
You don’t notice the very obvious lip movements?
Yeah, I mean, it’s very well done, but it’s not perfect and there are some obvious awkward moments. (Still better and more seamless than the cantina in ANH:R:SD, though.)
I’ll post here too (I posted this in the TLJ edit ideas thread).
I made a Yoda edit test video in After Effects:
https://vimeo.com/258530054
password: yoda
Fixed face, enhanced mouth movements, ghost glow.
I don’t see any difference beyond the upper lip.
I don’t see any difference beyond the upper lip.
The upper lip is the most important part because it’s the part that differs the most from ESB Yoda, everything else is mostly identical. So I replaced the upper lip, the nose and the middle of the forehead/brow.
I’ll post here too (I posted this in the TLJ edit ideas thread).
I made a Yoda edit test video in After Effects:
https://vimeo.com/258530054password: yoda
Fixed face, enhanced mouth movements, ghost glow.
Looks incredible
ChainsawAsh said:
it’s very well done, but it’s not perfect and there are some obvious awkward moments. (Still better and more seamless than the cantina in ANH:R:SD, though.)
More awkward than a Muppet’s mouth not matching the character’s words? 😉
I’ll post here too (I posted this in the TLJ edit ideas thread).
I made a Yoda edit test video in After Effects:
https://vimeo.com/258530054password: yoda
Fixed face, enhanced mouth movements, ghost glow.
I strongly approve of this. However, I wonder how it would look with the mouth contortions applied at about 50%.
I’ll post here too (I posted this in the TLJ edit ideas thread).
I made a Yoda edit test video in After Effects:
https://vimeo.com/258530054password: yoda
Fixed face, enhanced mouth movements, ghost glow.
I strongly approve of this. However, I wonder how it would look with the mouth contortions applied at about 50%.
Yep, I think 50% would be better. I exaggerated it a bit to make the effect more noticeable.
I see the movement on the lips … certainly an improvement! I am also curious then blending aspects from the ESB yoda with this too. Hmmmm, the possibilities…
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Collipso said:
Wow, it actually looks pretty good.I don’t see much difference, myself.
Neither Leia nor Tarkin bothered me in RO though,
Tarkin was quite well done, but Leia was pretty bad.
The problem with Tarkin for me was that it was just unnecessary. Guy Henry looks enough like Peter Cushing that I think they could have got away with a hair-piece, prosthetics, and some CGI to shrink him slightly and age up that lower jaw.
Oh…
The guy from RotS? He dosn’t look too bad in a still but he looked terrible in motion, but they also picked a guy who didn’t really look a lot like Cushing.
Cunts
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If any of you follow Jamie Benning on social media (the guy behind the excellent Filmumenteries) he made a very valid, and I think correct observation that TLJ production did in fact cast an original Yoda, but they did not use/find/remember the additional mouth bit that was documented to have been made and added to the original after the casting. It seems it is that that predominantly shapes the upper lip and jaw.
See here; https://twitter.com/jamieswb/status/958050210227376128
The absolute best use of this would be to take the face of ESB Yoda and put it over TLJ Yoda.
Quick Photoshop attempt;
I want some of what bottom Yoda’s smoking.
I think it looks to cg
Who is “cg”?
Why does It look to him?
What does It look to CG for? Assistance? guidance?These are questions we may never find the answers to.
It Looks fake
That’s because it’s a “quick photoshop attempt”.
Here’s a slightly less quick photoshop attempt I made where I overlayed parts of old Yoda on new Yoda:
I think I can make this work in the movie with After Effects rather than FakeApp.The upper lip is my only real issue with the TLJ puppet. Possibly also the way the mouth scrunches together when closed, but that might just be an extension of the upper lip issue.
