Anchorhead said:
That’s incorrect.
https://youtu.be/sx15aXjcDZgI really don’t see how being influenced by a dozen old movies is in any way comparable to blantantly recycling story elements, structure, and visuals from the same movie series.
It’s not, nor was I addressing that issue. I was responding specifically to Collipso saying “Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever”. In fact, it ripped off several films. For the record; I’m not bothered by that. Not now, not in 1977.
Regarding your claim that TFA recycled elements from the OT; I can’t imagine there is anyone on here who doesn’t see that to be the case. There are all sorts of parallels between the OT and the ST. The differences seem to be more about the level at which people are bothered by them.
I would be fine if that were the case, but I don’t believe it is. Some posters here conflate recycling Star Wars tropes with being influenced by other film makers, and works of fiction, thus arguing in a sense, that the current creators are more or less doing what Lucas did in 1977. Lucas’ Star Wars wasn’t original in their view, because he was obviously influenced by many sources while making the first film, and it’s sequels. The current creators are doing the same thing, theu argue, but they just happened to be influenced by Star Wars movies. My argument is Lucas didn’t invent the ingredients, but he did invent a new and original recipe, and one that has resulted in some very tasty meals, while the current creators deliberately used Lucas’ recipe and added a few twists to disguise the fact that they couldn’t come up with a new recipe. The meal might still be edible, but it’s just so similar to Lucas’ recipe, that I can’t shake the notion, that I’ve tasted far better versions of it in the past.
Brilliant.
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-1, net result no impact.
Show me a star wars movie that hasn’t recycled star wars tropes. I don’t know why that is such a turn off.
Every Star Wars movie before the ST has provided plenty of new story threads, and new visuals. The ST is unique in the sense that it (IMO delibirately) recycles complete plot sequences, story structure and visuals. All sequels and prequels made by Lucas contained new stories. They were not loose remakes of the previous films. While for TLJ it’s less obvious than for TFA, there’s no denying TLJ’s story structure echos TESB’s, while it also incorporates entire story sequences from the OT, such as the battle of Hoth, albeit with a twist, and the ROTJ throne room sequence, again with a twist.
the ST has provided plenty of new story threads a new visuals too, or are claiming it didn’t?
Some new story threads yes, but compared to previous entries far too little IMO.
You try to cover way too much with your ‘but with a twist’ argument. Only those who want to agree with you accept that argument.
Not at all. Much of TLJ is based on the premise to rethread OT story threads, but to then “surprise” people with a twist. There are very few original story lines not in some way based on the OT. The most obvious original story line is the Canto Bight sequence, which is widely considered the movie’s weakest part, since it is pointless to the overall plot.
You can’t just dismiss the canto bight sequence as pointless… not sure i need to rethread that discussion though. Back out of this thread again for me…
It’s pointless to the overall plot. There’s some character development between Finn and Rose, but I didn’t think it was a very strong sequence, and it felt like filler to me. They needed Finn to have something to do, so he goes on this little mission, which allows RJ to introduce a new character, but the sequence sadly ends up going nowhere. They conveniently run into a second code breaker, who doesn’t look very trustworthy, and surprise, surprise he ends up betraying them. I guess Finn get’s his little moment with Phasma though, which sadly wasn’t properly set up. It’s not all bad, but it doesn’t improve the pacing of this 150 min movie in my view. Canto Bight looked nice though, so there’s that.