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Post #1176123

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DominicCobb
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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25-Feb-2018, 2:40 PM
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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Sorry, that doesn’t really fly, Star Wars was never “known for its originality.”

You’ve got to be joking. Star Wars was the first movie of it’s kind. It doesn’t get much more original than that.

Nope, not joking at all. Because that’s not really what we’re discussing here. There’s nothing story-wise (and a lot otherwise) in Star Wars that is original.

Borrowing elements from other works of fiction and combining them into something new and original is not the same as borrowing heavily from previous Star Wars films both visually and narratively to create another Star Wars film.

Except the ST is literally “borrowing elements from other works of fiction and combining them into something new and original.” Just that some of the other works of fiction are Star Wars movies, which just makes sense considering there are other Star Wars movies that exist.

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Sorry, that doesn’t really fly, Star Wars was never “known for its originality.”

You’ve got to be joking. Star Wars was the first movie of it’s kind. It doesn’t get much more original than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M

For starters.

I’m aware of the films that influenced Star Wars. However, what makes Star Wars original, is how it combines these elements with iconic original designs, sound, music, and characters to create a unique visual and auditory experience.

Weird, it’s almost like TFA and TLJ combined similar plot beats with original designs, sound, music, and characters to create a unique visual and auditory experience.

More Tie fighters, X-wings, and Star Destroyers, not really original in my view. I guess we’ve never seen a black X-wing before. The ST represents a slightly more modern take on the OT, but very little in these films is not some variation of OT story threads, aesthetics, and designs. So, in my view the visual and auditory experience is anything but original.

You listed three designs out of thousands. That’s incredibly reductive. Not to mention SW was creating a new universe, whereas the ST is creating within an existing universe. Sure the PT had designs that looked nothing like the OT. But that was a problem.

Collipso said:

You guys have to be joking.

Nope.

To defend the ST you guys are now saying that the original Star Wars wasn’t original. The movie was literally something never seen before. People had seen several of the elements separately, yes, like Dre and Frink said, but never together, never something like that. Heck, before McQuarrie people thought Lucas was insane with his imageless crazy ideas. It was absolutely unique.

Unique =/= original.

TLJ and TFA have basically ripped off their predecessors. Neither Star Wars nor Empire ripped off any movie whatsoever. Star Wars’ story might be similar to The Hobbit, for example, but it’s because they follow the Hero’s Journey. And I think that the Hero’s Journey is the natural progression of most everyman hero stories, so I definitely don’t consider Luke’s story a ripoff.

Star Wars is at least 40% Hidden Fortress. Star Wars was literally built as a combination of a bunch of different preexisting stories. Hate to break it to you, but it’s true. Some of us appreciate it for doing that, rather than pretending it was the most original story ever.

One can argue that RotJ has way too similar beats to Star Wars but I disagree. Especially now that we have TFA and TLJ to compare for ripoff levels.

“Originality is overrated” speak for yourself. I, for example, value an original idea not that well executed more than that same old idea we’ve seen before done decently.

I will speak for myself. I’ve seen a lot of movies, I know what I like. Originality levels are essentially arbitrary. Nothing is original. There are far more important things to judge the quality of a movie by. TFA and TLJ are good stories told well. Just because some plot beats are vaguely similar to other movies doesn’t make them worse. Neither does the fact that they have the same aesthetic as other movies in the same series (I don’t know how this is even a criticism).