Revenge of the Jedi (The Snooker edit) (Cancelled: *unfinished project *) — Page 4

Anakin Starkiller said:

Btw, I just realized Coruscant is like croissant.

A flaky pastry of buttery scrumptiousness?

I don’t know if there is any way to incorporate the Emperor fight properly into the Endor battle without some impossible-to-convey excuse. I’ll try it though.

I feel like footage from 2016 wouldn’t meld well with footage from 1983

However you have given me an idea: The rebellion attacks an Imperial Shipyard that looks something like this:

Perhaps they are building a new Super Star Destroyer that the Emperor would personally oversee the final preparations of. Perhaps the opening scene could establish the Endor Shipyard and keep most of the Jerjerrod scene. Maybe the Star Destroyer can cloak (it’s established in Empire that small ships can’t cloak, but perhaps the MASSIVE star destroyer can)

Then Luke and the Emperor’s battle could take place on the cloaked Super Star Destroyer, which after the Emperor’s death uncloaks, and reveals itself to the Rebellion. The Star Destroyer is destroyed and the Rebels escape! They have achieved their objective!

Maybe the shield generator is actually powering the Super Star Destroyer’s cloaking ability while it’s unfinished?

snooker said:

I feel like footage from 2016 wouldn’t meld well with footage from 1983

However you have given me an idea: The rebellion attacks an Imperial Shipyard that looks something like this:

Perhaps they are building a new Super Star Destroyer that the Emperor would personally oversee the final preparations of. Perhaps the opening scene could establish the Endor Shipyard and keep most of the Jerjerrod scene. Maybe the Star Destroyer can cloak (it’s established in Empire that small ships can’t cloak, but perhaps the MASSIVE star destroyer can)

Then Luke and the Emperor’s battle could take place on the cloaked Super Star Destroyer, which after the Emperor’s death uncloaks, and reveals itself to the Rebellion. The Star Destroyer is destroyed and the Rebels escape! They have achieved their objective!

Maybe the shield generator is actually powering the Super Star Destroyer’s cloaking ability while it’s unfinished?

If you go this route, you should use the Eclipse as the Star Destroyer in question.

DuracellEnergizer said:

snooker said:

I feel like footage from 2016 wouldn’t meld well with footage from 1983

However you have given me an idea: The rebellion attacks an Imperial Shipyard that looks something like this:

Perhaps they are building a new Super Star Destroyer that the Emperor would personally oversee the final preparations of. Perhaps the opening scene could establish the Endor Shipyard and keep most of the Jerjerrod scene. Maybe the Star Destroyer can cloak (it’s established in Empire that small ships can’t cloak, but perhaps the MASSIVE star destroyer can)

Then Luke and the Emperor’s battle could take place on the cloaked Super Star Destroyer, which after the Emperor’s death uncloaks, and reveals itself to the Rebellion. The Star Destroyer is destroyed and the Rebels escape! They have achieved their objective!

Maybe the shield generator is actually powering the Super Star Destroyer’s cloaking ability while it’s unfinished?

If you go this route, you should use the Eclipse as the Star Destroyer in question.

That’s what I had in mind 😉

It all depends on if I can find a good enough model of it for SFM. I definitely don’t want to just have another Executor.

EDIT: Here’s something:

https://gfycat.com/InferiorPrestigiousIrishwolfhound

The movement of the Falcon isn’t finished but in context it fits with the rest of the ending Fleet scene.

I just noticed that the clip becomes heavily compressed and black and white halfway through. Please ignore this 😃

How about the empire and the rebels are sending everything they got to survie so instead of the death star assault its the final battle the empire vs the rebels.

Why would the Empire send everything they’ve got? They are the government of the galaxy, they aren’t desperate.

snooker said:

Why would the Empire send everything they’ve got? They are the government of the galaxy, they aren’t desperate.

To destroy the rebels once and for all and stop them from getting to the emperor.

HerekittykittyX said:

snooker said:

Why would the Empire send everything they’ve got? They are the government of the galaxy, they aren’t desperate.

To destroy the rebels once and for all and stop them from getting to the emperor.

One does not simply use a battalion to kill a buzzing fly.

It’s not like the Empire is expecting there to be any challenge

The Eclipse idea would actually be the easiest idea to implement. It would require the least amount of changes, and the briefing room dialogue would only need to be slightly altered (still would need to change the holograms though).

While the look of the Eclipse wouldn’t necessarily have to be how it looked in the EU, it actually could have a smaller Death Star laser like it did in the EU. Then Lando’s surprise at it firing would make even more sense. This kind of surprise would be easier to get across than the cloaking device, I think, and give more purpose to the Endor base by still having it be a shield generator. And it also feels like a natural progression of Imperial technology, with it being a fusion of the Death Star from Star Wars and the Super Star Destroyer from Empire Strikes Back.

I imagine it could’ve been a compromise of ideas between Lucas and Kurtz in another timeline.

And if it was under construction, you could still have Lando fly inside and blow up its main reactor. This version would allow you to maintain the max amount of footage, really.

I think taking inspiration from the Kuat Drive Yards would be pretty cool, but it would make for a bit of work. I would suggest going even simpler. One thing I would consider looking at is the design of the Fondor Shipyards from the 2017 Battlefront 2.

To me, though, the easiest thing would be to just have the Eclipse, but then have dozens of small specks around it that are meant to be parts and construction ships. Things look busy, underway. I think the only downside would be that you would have to invent a new way for the Executor to be destroyed. With some kind of space station, you could just have it crash into it like it did in the movie, but you might want to have it blow up differently anyway since people felt like it’s original destruction wasn’t satisfying.

And by not having them on the Eclipse instead of the Executor, you wouldn’t have to remove it from Luke’s view of the battle through the window. A small thing, but one less thing for you to do!

But by just having the Eclipse, all you would need is one good model (real or CG). It might be easier to find models of the Executor, and touch it up some to differentiate it. The level of detail might be important, because I would worry a CG model would stand out amongst all of the traditional model work.

And thinking more about it, I totally understand more why you don’t want the Rebels to outright “win”. I also went back and looked at more interviews with Kurtz, and he at one point described an ending with the “rebellion in tatters”. So maybe they accomplish their goal, but at a heavy cost.

One idea to emphasize this would be to have the Rebels leaders get killed. Madine, Mothma, maybe even Ackbar. It would only require you to insert shots of them before we see a ship blow up. Seeing these important people be killed would definitely get that point across. The death of the senior rebel leaders could also be good way to have Leia be left as the leader of the Rebellion. I know Kurtz said she would go off to become Queen of what’s left of her people, but not only would that be harder to get across to the audience, but at this point I think the rebels ARE her people, and despite all she has lost, she still wouldn’t abandon the cause if the war was not over. So I think this would be the most natural ending for her. Maybe you could have a shot of her, standing alone on the bridge of one of rebel ships.

Once they destroy the Eclipse, Leia and the surviving Rebels meet up with the few remaining ships of the fleet and jump to hyperspace. Luke, on the other hand, stays behind and lands back on Endor to have a funeral for his father.

All of the stuff with Hab Abbadon could just be abandoned. Even with Kurtz, maybe this concept still would’ve been left behind. In retrospect that would be WAY too much work and hard for it to look believable.

Sorry for another long post. It’s fun discussing this and brainstorming with you guys. Hope you guys are enjoying it as much as I am!

JEDIT: Another, simpler, option for the Executor could be to just modify the existing shots of the Executor with photoshop to differentiate it more.

I really really don’t like mega death lasers as plot devices anymore. Years of superhero movies I guess 😕.
Maybe the Eclipse just has really high firepower but it needs to decloak to fire?

I want to kill Madine using his bridge deleted scenes.

Thank you so much for all of the brain-storming by the way! 😃

Yeah I totally get that. Big death lasers are such a cliche, especially nowadays. I guess I just pictured it being the more likely route during production in 83. But I think the new SSD having a ton of turrets would also look cool.

To play devil’s advocate, if the Empire figured out this super-laser technology, you would think that even if they first one was destroyed, it did work, so they wouldn’t completely abandon the technology, but make it more efficient. I pictured it just being powerful enough for the one-shot kills the DSII does in the battle. And like I said, it probably would be one of the options that requires the least amount of changing. Super-laser’s seem to be the Emperor’s style, after all.

I always felt cloaking was more Star Trek-y, but then again they did use it in The Clone Wars, and it operated the same way you described, having to deactivate the cloaking device to fire.

Regardless of my opinion, I think you should go forward with the turrets/cloaking device idea if you’re really into it, and maybe this suggestion could be an alternative if you decide it’s not working for you. Don’t know till you try!

And yeah! I was thinking of the Madine deleted scenes for that as well! I think the more rebels you kill onscreen, the more audience will feel the losses. So even if they succeed in their mention, they’ll feel the cost. Especially if they see the Rebel Fleet before and after the battle.

I feel like the smaller superlaser is simply the obvious way forward. Think of the First Order Dreadnought. It’d be something along those lines. About as powerful as one of the Death Star’s many lasers.

I feel like the ship decloaking, tons of lasers coming out of it, then cloaking again would look the coolest and avoid the Death Star parallel.

Here’s the Emperor’s command ship:
https://gfycat.com/FeminineWaterloggedKakarikis

JEDIT: Hi-rez screenshot:

snooker said:

Here’s the Emperor’s command ship:
https://gfycat.com/FeminineWaterloggedKakarikis

JEDIT: Hi-rez screenshot:

Looks like snokes ship in the Last Jedi

snooker said:

Here’s the Emperor’s command ship:
https://gfycat.com/FeminineWaterloggedKakarikis

JEDIT: Hi-rez screenshot:

I’m in love.

snooker said:

Here’s the Emperor’s command ship:
https://gfycat.com/FeminineWaterloggedKakarikis

JEDIT: Hi-rez screenshot:

Thank you all!

If I could I would probably use the actual Eclipse design from the expanded universe but I couldn’t find a good enough model. I’m glad you all like it! 😃