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Warbler said:

prisoner’s judgement?

My last post of the night! The amount the court awards to the prisoner suing for what was done to him (separate from the attorneys’ fees).

The blue elephant in the room.

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Ok, I think I got it now. Judge awarded $307,000 and $108,000 in attorney’s fee’s. A certain amount of the $108,000 is supposed to come out of the $307,000. One side(I assume the winner of the suit) says the amount taken from the $307,000 should only go up to 10% of the $307,000, which would be $30,700. $108,000 - $30,700 = $77,300. Therefore the loser in the suit would pay $307,000 + $77,300 which comes to a total of $384,300. But the other side(I assume the loser of the suit) says according to the law, the amount taken should go up to 25% of the $307,000. 25% of $307,000 is $76,750. $108,000 - $76,750 = $31,250. Therefore the loser in the suit would pay $307,000 + $31,250 which comes to a total of $338,250.

Is my understanding correct?

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That’s right. So the question is whether the law required 25% to come from the winner of this case or whether the law allows the judge to pick any amount up to 25% (as you noted 10% in this case).

The blue elephant in the room.

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Watching the CNN Town Hall in Florida was both inspiring and sickening.

But of course nothing will ever be done.

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https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/964984555655573510

Most importantly, liberal fatalism on gun control overstates the strength of the opposition. The NRA’s influence depends heavily on the PERCEPTION of its power. By building up the gun lobby as an indomitable force, pessimistic liberals are playing directly into its hands.

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That’s ridiculous.

Me putting on a happy face and pretending something might get done isn’t going to change a thing.

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I’m gonna quote some more because he said it better than I could.

This world-weary prediction of inaction is pernicious. It demoralizes those who are actually motivated to fight against gun violence. And it lets off the hook those who are opposed to reform.

By declaring any new effort doomed to fail, defeatist liberals spare their opponents from even having to go on record in their opposition, from having to actually make the arguments for protecting the gun lobby.

Meanwhile, one of the purple-state Republicans who voted no, NH’s Kelly Ayotte, lost in 2016 in a race in which the pro-reform groups went after her for her vote against background checks. No longer is voting with the NRA the obvious safe tack for a self-interested politician.

Or look at Virginia, the home of the NRA. In recent years, Northam, McAuliffe and Kaine have all won statewide elections despite their NRA F-ratings and outspoken calls for stronger gun laws.

But now a new generation may be showing a different way. The burgeoning outrage of so many students post-Parkland is, among other things, a rebuke to liberals who had given up the fight.
It won’t be an easy fight. But the worst odds of all lie in declaring any effort hopeless.

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Look on the bright side. This shooting has stayed in the news for more than a week now. There are protests planned all over the next month. Something is different this time. Any other shooting and this would have been a two-day story.

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In other news:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/966660169194229761

…If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there…problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!

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I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

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TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ok.

How did we get civil rights legislation?

By Frink refusing to give up.

You got me there.

It’s like that thing everybody says about voting. Sure, one individual vote doesn’t count, but if a lot of people thought that, it does count! It’s trite but it’s true.

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Yeah, I’m having a hard time not comparing school shootings to boiling a frog alive. Just turn the heat up slowly enough, and it won’t jump out before it’s too late.

One is chance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is a pattern. We’re way beyond it being a pattern, approaching commonplace.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

If any of my high school teachers were armed, I would have flat-out refused to go to school. And I really liked most of my teachers. I can’t even imagine how I’d feel if I had an adversarial relationship with them.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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yhwx said:

Look on the bright side. This shooting has stayed in the news for more than a week now. There are protests planned all over the next month. Something is different this time. Any other shooting and this would have been a two-day story.

Maybe, but I am not yet convinced. There are still so many politicians in the back pocket of the NRA. Time will tell.

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I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

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Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

That’s even worse.

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yhwx said:

I’m gonna quote some more because he said it better than I could.

This world-weary prediction of inaction is pernicious. It demoralizes those who are actually motivated to fight against gun violence. And it lets off the hook those who are opposed to reform.

By declaring any new effort doomed to fail, defeatist liberals spare their opponents from even having to go on record in their opposition, from having to actually make the arguments for protecting the gun lobby.

Meanwhile, one of the purple-state Republicans who voted no, NH’s Kelly Ayotte, lost in 2016 in a race in which the pro-reform groups went after her for her vote against background checks. No longer is voting with the NRA the obvious safe tack for a self-interested politician.

Or look at Virginia, the home of the NRA. In recent years, Northam, McAuliffe and Kaine have all won statewide elections despite their NRA F-ratings and outspoken calls for stronger gun laws.

But now a new generation may be showing a different way. The burgeoning outrage of so many students post-Parkland is, among other things, a rebuke to liberals who had given up the fight.
It won’t be an easy fight. But the worst odds of all lie in declaring any effort hopeless.

If an effort is in fact hopeless, I see no wrong in declaring it so.

Doing allows you to focus on an effort that might not be hopeless and might save lives, like putting police in schools.

It is not the preferred solution, but, if it is what can get passed and can save lives . . .

Focus on what you can do.

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Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

What about police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

That’s even worse.

Why?

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Warbler said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I’m in high school. I have many wonderful teachers. I don’t think any of them should be armed. Some of my teachers, and again, I love them, can hardly even operate a DVD player. I do not want any of them to be given firearms.

police officers that are extremely well trained and especially for a school environment and whom had been extremely background checked?

I’ve never even heard of such specimen.