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Post #1171497

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CatBus
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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15-Feb-2018, 6:55 PM

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

There’s also the inherent problem of solving the problems of guns in schools by intentionally putting more guns in the schools. Basically the same thing as with homes: we know that having a gun in your home makes your family less safe, is that also true for schools?

look all I know is

A: nut comes into school, no one there has a gun: nut kills a lot of kids and teachers

B: nut comes into school with armed guards: nut tries to kill a lot kids and teachers and gets killed in the process. less kids and teachers are dead than would have been.

Also most of people who have guns in their homes aren’t trained police officers.

C: Nut comes into the school unarmed, gets weapons from guards. Goes on killing spree he wouldn’t have even considered before he grabbed the gun.

D: Guard goes postal, kills students. Or guards.

Did you follow those links? Trained can be a generous term. Here’s how you do the risk assessment. Scenario A: a gun is in place to prevent crime. Scenario B: No gun is in place to prevent crime. Bad things can happen due to both the gun AND the lack of a gun. With homes, we’ve done the research, and the verdict is in. The bad things due to a gun in scenario A are over 40 times more likely than the bad things due to lack of a gun from scenario B. Therefore, don’t bring a gun into your home if you like your family. Easy so far.

Now I’m not saying schools are the same as homes, or security guards are the same as private citizens, or even that all security guards have lapses like the ones in those articles (but some percentage inevitably will). But presumably the data is already available to research. It would be a shame to spend 40 billion dollars to make our kids more likely to get shot, don’t you think?

EDIT: Why research when my guts says it’s right and it’s an emergency? Well, millions of Americans used their gut feeling to make the wrong call about their home safety because they either don’t know the statistics, or don’t believe the statistics apply to them. Knowing what you’re doing is a good thing when it comes to matters of life and death. If armed guards at a school are 10x less risky than armed homeowners, that still means they’re over 4x riskier than no guards or unarmed guards.