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YES!!!
Edit: quick question, does it tie in with the 2003 miniseries too?
I’m re-configuring this thread, because my new edit of AOTC shares plenty of the same ideas and I don’t want to have two AOTC edit threads.
I want to preface this thread by saying: This AOTC edit is so not going to be everyone’s thing.
This was just something I put together over the holidays for my little cousin, who absolutely loves Star Wars, but who I know doesn’t have the attention span for Attack of the Clones. To be frank, I don’t think I do either.
He loved Rise of Skywalker - which I didn’t - but that inspired me to think about how the prequels, in the context of how disappointing the Sequel Trilogy was to me, had some merit. Kind of. Its problems are obvious and have been talked about for nearly two decades at this point, but no edit has actually made them fun to watch if you weren’t already trying to like them. From the earlier edits to Hal’s edits, the biggest thing in many prequel edits is making them more coherent. Make them make sense, less goofy/cringy, and just less excruciating to watch.
In light of Rise of Skywalker: What if I made Attack of the Clones, just, dumber?
What I mean by that is - the politics and context, what if I just threw it out? TROS and the ST at large didn’t care and the movies were fun! When it wasn’t using pure nostalgia, the ST (save for TLJ) relied on the likeable characters going on a fun galaxy adventure thing. And AOTC has some interesting, if not dated, fun setpieces. The speeder chase through Coruscant, rain brawl, asteroid field dogfight, Geonosis arena, the battle… I remember fastforwarding to those parts on DVD when I was like 10, but I couldn’t sit through all the between. When I say dumb, I mean it in a fun way.
Making this for my cousin was a fun experiment in ST-ing/modern blockbuster-ifying AOTC. Just like in the ST, any set-up for the next movie doesn’t matter. Any context for the galaxy or how things work is only just mentioned. It follows Padme/Anakin/Obi-Wan almost from beginning to end, minimizing any cutaways to Mace, Yoda, or the Senate. There are virtually no scenes in the Jedi Council or Senate Hall.
Now, that sounds easy, but it was more than just excising scenes. My cousin is a smart kid, and it takes more than just cool sci-fi shit to keep him entertained. The story and characters still have to make sense in the broadest of ways, even if the pacing is much quicker and more exciting.
And a big challenge was in how I don’t have access to the charisma TROS was working with to take the audience from beginning to end. Making the characters likeable and seemingly charismatic enough to carry an otherwise empty film was the biggest goal. (This is where my NCC philosophies came into play).
CUTS AND CHANGES:
Oh, and there’s a color grade to make it look less sterile and more filmic, because why not.
So I should have some workprint tomorrow. But I really only wanted to share it because I do have some radical/new ideas in here that I would want to put out there for the community in editing AOTC. They don’t just have to work in the context of an edit aping JJ. Feedback would be appreciated and I’d love to discuss any other ways I could turn AOTC into something actually fun and stupid.
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So, for those of you who have kept up with my RotS edit, this is my episode II!
Obviously, I’m partial to the interpretation of Anakin Skywalker as described to us by Ben Kenobi in the OT and presented to us in the 2008 Clone Wars series, so to fill in the blanks between TPM and TCW/RotSNCC, this edit of AotC aims to lighten Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship, and make Anakin Skywalker a more genuinely likeable person. While the prequels are incongruous in a lot of ways with the OT, I believe the characterizations and arcs should stay consistent across all canon.
The approach here is a little different than in the New Canon Cut for RotS. Anakin won’t be a decorated general or that mature. In fact, my AotC kind of aims to age Anakin down a bit, a tad closer to the sweet boy Ani we met in TPM. That’s not to say he will be annoying, but what I did here was make Anakin more willing to be a student. Theatrical Anakin is in a hurry to grow up, and thus tries to act like it to the point he sounds whiny, immature, and entitled. Obi-Wan is pretty much done with his shit, and thinks Anakin is a bit of a trouble student. Anakin in my AotC is reframed as more or less a good student with a bit of a playful, rebellious edge; he knows and embraces his place as still just a padawan and Obi-Wan is more seemingly fond of him, trusting him much more.
I think there’s a contrast between that young student and the decorated general in my RotS that just makes the fall in RotS more tragic. The trajectory is now set up where Anakin’s arc is more or less him on his way to growing into being like Luke by the end of ROTJ (maybe even better), but he ultimately fails to grapple with his attachments and passions.
In that vein, Anakin is much more mellow and less cold in this edit. Specifically in the scenes where he’s interrogating, Anakin doesn’t become intense or irate. He’s patient with Watto, softer with Zam, and I’ve removed his coldness towards his step-family.
I’ve tried to make Anakin and Padme’s romance a lot less creepy and weird. Anakin not being obssessed with her from the jump was a good place to start with that. Anakin here has a little crush, sure, but he doesn’t talk to Obi-Wan about dreaming about her, flirt awkwardly, promise to find her assassins obsessively, or anxiously jump to conclusions about her forgetting him completely. The scene where he talks about his dreams about his mother with Obi-Wan ends with Anakin nodding in agreement to “dreams pass in time” instead of him shifting the conversation to dreaming about Padme and defending her even if he hasn’t seen her in 10 years. It feels more like Anakin is here to do his job for an old friend, rather than primarily try to score some points towards getting laid. His crush is tertiary to his duty as a Jedi, and as a friend.
Padme falling for Anakin is more straightforward and streamlined. They don’t bicker, and there are no real barriers to hurdle in terms of her being comfortable with how she knew him then and now. Anakin is just more boyishly charming in my cut. He confidently chuckles as she does instead of doing his “grown more beautiful for a senator” thing, and I’ve moved up the “if you’ll excuse me” to replace him imperatively telling her to “stay here” after Obi-Wan jumps out the window. The traces of creepy are all replaced with an Anakin straddling the line between boy next door and charming rebel.
I used Octorox’s and Hal’s edits as my base. PM for first version, and I’ll add a full cutlist later. Feedback would be cool. There’s a lot more to the edit than what I described.
not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing
YES!!!
Edit: quick question, does it tie in with the 2003 miniseries too?
To be honest, not really. Anakin is too much of a whiny brat towards the start of that one, and I use audio from it towards the end of this cut. (Obi-Wan suggesting Anakin’s knighting)
EDIT: btw making cutlists is such a process and not fun at all but i do need to explain some choices i make because they’re probably unpopular at first glance
not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing
Very excited for this!
If you don’t mind me asking how far along is the new canon trilogy cut?
Dude the thread was started yesterday I’m sure it’s reasonably up to date.
I’m really excited for this! I really liked your ROTS edit so I’m excited to see what you can do with this one!
After being beaten and battered by prequel hate, I promise not to be that to the next generation.
I’ll update this as I watch it.
The crawl looks a little off, maybe the font is too small?
The elevator exchange feels better, but I feel like there’s some overlapping music.
I like some of the color correction, but a lot of it completely removes the color black from the frame, making the darkest color a gray. I personally would prefer that the darks be black rather than gray but it isn’t a deal-breaker. Certainly an improvement over the original.
I like Anakin’s “So have you.” It works 10x better than the original, but the laughing sticks out a little. Maybe pitch it down a little.
I like the dreams conversation a lot.
I would cut the Padme packing her bags scene when Anakin sits down and says “I know”. I do really like the way you’ve edited the scene though.
I would cut the librarian asking “are you having a problem Master Kenobi” immediately after asking if he needed assistance.
I would cut the whole Yoda younglings scene, however you’ve made it less unbearable.
I don’t like the landing on Naboo conversation. I never have. I also never liked the Padme’s home deleted scenes.
Padme’s field talk works now. It isn’t completely boring.
The day to night on the nighttime kiss doesn’t work, but it didn’t work in Octorox’s either.
I forget where I first saw it but I loved the little Anakin tusken dream part and him waking up next to Padme.
I don’t like the droid saying “Okie-dokie”
So Owen is straight up Anakin’s brother? That’s interesting. I like the use of Anakin’s theme.
“A thousand more systems” rather than 10 thousand? I guess it’s more realistic.
I liked the cuts to the dinner conversation.
I like the cut to black during the sandpeople slaughter.
What is that shouting when Anakin’s arriving at the homestead?
I like Owen saying “Brother” but I feel like it could be louder.
I really like Padme cutting Anakin off while he’s saying “Strict orders”. That’s genius!
I don’t know why you have Anakin saying see you soon while the ship is flying off, but in any case it is far too quiet to hear.
“Alright let’s do it” sounds nothing like Anakin.
I really don’t like the droid factory sequence but you’ve made it… bearable?
The love pledge is better now.
Obi Wan’s “That was good” should be moved somewhere else.
I really don’t like the 3PO battle droid bits.
I like Obi Wan talking about Anakin at the end. I’m not 100% sure it blends in though.
Still a rough draft for sure, a lot of it is experimentation.
EDIT: also lol @Owen being Anakin’s biological brother. He’d be like 10. I just thought saying “stepbrother” was a bit too stiff
not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing
Still a rough draft for sure, a lot of it is experimentation.
Definitely. And the stuff that does work really works.
Overall I liked it!
I actually share most of snooker’s thoughts, and I will post my review sometime next week because I won’t be home til then.
Just one quick question - is the color correction in your edits based on the 35mm trailers?
I’m re-configuring this thread, because my new edit of AOTC shares plenty of the same ideas and I don’t want to have two AOTC edit threads.
I want to preface this thread by saying: This AOTC edit is so not going to be everyone’s thing.
This was just something I put together over the holidays for my little cousin, who absolutely loves Star Wars, but who I know doesn’t have the attention span for Attack of the Clones. To be frank, I don’t think I do either.
He loved Rise of Skywalker - which I didn’t - but that inspired me to think about how the prequels, in the context of how disappointing the Sequel Trilogy was to me, had some merit. Kind of. Its problems are obvious and have been talked about for nearly two decades at this point, but no edit has actually made them fun to watch if you weren’t already trying to like them. From the earlier edits to Hal’s edits, the biggest thing in many prequel edits is making them more coherent. Make them make sense, less goofy/cringy, and just less excruciating to watch.
In light of Rise of Skywalker: What if I made Attack of the Clones, just, dumber?
What I mean by that is - the politics and context, what if I just threw it out? TROS and the ST at large didn’t care and the movies were fun! When it wasn’t using pure nostalgia, the ST (save for TLJ) relied on the likeable characters going on a fun galaxy adventure thing. And AOTC has some interesting, if not dated, fun setpieces. The speeder chase through Coruscant, rain brawl, asteroid field dogfight, Geonosis arena, the battle… I remember fastforwarding to those parts on DVD when I was like 10, but I couldn’t sit through all the between. When I say dumb, I mean it in a fun way.
Making this for my cousin was a fun experiment in ST-ing/modern blockbuster-ifying AOTC. Just like in the ST, any set-up for the next movie doesn’t matter. Any context for the galaxy or how things work is only just mentioned. It follows Padme/Anakin/Obi-Wan almost from beginning to end, minimizing any cutaways to Mace, Yoda, or the Senate. There are virtually no scenes in the Jedi Council or Senate Hall.
Now, that sounds easy, but it was more than just excising scenes. My cousin is a smart kid, and it takes more than just cool sci-fi shit to keep him entertained. The story and characters still have to make sense in the broadest of ways, even if the pacing is much quicker and more exciting.
And a big challenge was in how I don’t have access to the charisma TROS was working with to take the audience from beginning to end. Making the characters likeable and seemingly charismatic enough to carry an otherwise empty film was the biggest goal. (This is where my NCC philosophies came into play).
CUTS AND CHANGES:
Oh, and there’s a color grade to make it look less sterile and more filmic, because why not.
So I should have some workprint tomorrow. But I really only wanted to share it because I do have some radical/new ideas in here that I would want to put out there for the community in editing AOTC. They don’t just have to work in the context of an edit aping JJ. Feedback would be appreciated and I’d love to discuss any other ways I could turn AOTC into something actually fun and stupid.
not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing
oooo that sounds very interesting and I’d love to watch it!
NFB! I always love to see your posts because I think you have a really fresh and unique perspective! This is a great example, because you actually try to make the movies more campy rather than less, which is the route most edits take. Would love to check this out!
I think for what you’re trying to achieve, what you already have is good. Either in this or a future AOTC edit, I think it would be interesting if we could make it to where Anakin has to choose between going to help Obi-Wan or go find his mother. Duty vs love. Anakin chooses the Jedi over his mother, and he fails to save his mother. So in ROTS, when he must once again choose between duty or love, his decision to, in his mind, not make the same mistake twice, is a lot clearer.
It also hits harder because you know he could have prevented it. In this film as-is, he basically goes looking for his mother as soon as he tracks down her whereabouts. I guess you could say he blames Obi-Wan and the Jedi for telling him to just ignore his dreams. But I think him making a more distinct choice like this would be really effective.
Because in this version, it seems like he accepts his mother’s death, but then decides he can go back and find her. But like I said, I think this totally works for what your goal is with this edit.
So you did show this version to your cousin, right? What did they think about the movie?
I quite like most of your list. There are still some things I personally wouldn’t cut in order to be fully consistent with The Clone Wars and I absolutely wouldn’t cut the wedding.
There is an edit out there that had Anakin and Padme go back to Naboo and get married, had Anakin’s nightmare about his mother and the scene where he decides to go to Tatooine, and then ended the film on Tatooine like you are suggesting.
I have an edited version of Hal’s where I added Padme asleep in the bed next to Anakin after his nightmare, using zoomed in footage from RotS. What I might suggest is that after Geonosis is taken care of, we cut to the wedding, and then to another nightmare about his mother, Padme and Anakin in bed, he gets up and rushes off to Tatooine, and then it proceeds from there.
Personally I also like the idea of ending on the funeral.
I know that adds a lot of planet hoping to the end of the film, but I think it could work rather well.
I’d love to see a workprint, especially if you still have a version that is more NCC than “Popcorn”.
My Edits:
Revenge of the Sith: Refocused Available
The Clone Wars Refocused: The Chosen One (Mortis Episode)