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Like the pigmen I had great aspirations.
Be careful not to choke on them.
You either die a trilogy or live long enough to see yourself become batman & robin.
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 216
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Just some thoughts on why the comedy didn’t work for me all the time: the way the characters reacted to the jokes was “unnatural” for Star Wars movies, and for most real situations in general. We’re used to that in marvel movies at this point, but I personally think they went too far in both TLJ and TFA. RO’s humor works perfectly for me though, and I think that’s largely because the characters’ reactions to the funny things seem more natural.
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something for everyone
#pigmenneverforget
Like the pigmen I had great aspirations.
Be careful not to choke on them.
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Just some thoughts on why the comedy didn’t work for me all the time: the way the characters reacted to the jokes was “unnatural” for Star Wars movies, and for most real situations in general. We’re used to that in marvel movies at this point, but I personally think they went too far in both TLJ and TFA. RO’s humor works perfectly for me though, and I think that’s largely because the characters’ reactions to the funny things seem more natural.
Examples please.
FWIW the one you just quote from RO (choke on your aspirations) was one of the few in RO that annoyed me.
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Just some thoughts on why the comedy didn’t work for me all the time: the way the characters reacted to the jokes was “unnatural” for Star Wars movies, and for most real situations in general. We’re used to that in marvel movies at this point, but I personally think they went too far in both TLJ and TFA. RO’s humor works perfectly for me though, and I think that’s largely because the characters’ reactions to the funny things seem more natural.
Examples please.
The reaction of the imperial trooper to Kylo choking Hux. “Right away sir”. I don’t have a problem with anything except the delivery. He should be scared as hell or something but he’s just saying funny one liners. Compare that to everyone’s reactions to Vader’s chokings in ESB. It makes it all look like a skit something made purely for comedy, and I personally prefer comedy when it comes naturally.
The “busy day” joke. That’s something really weird and disrespectful to say if you’re Rey. Sure Luke disrespected Yoda at first, but after he learned his true identity it was nothing but respect. I was ok with the nowhere joke and the tickling joke, both work really well and feel more natural.
FWIW the one you just quote from RO (choke on your aspirations) was one of the few in RO that annoyed me.
Agree.
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Just some thoughts on why the comedy didn’t work for me all the time: the way the characters reacted to the jokes was “unnatural” for Star Wars movies, and for most real situations in general. We’re used to that in marvel movies at this point, but I personally think they went too far in both TLJ and TFA. RO’s humor works perfectly for me though, and I think that’s largely because the characters’ reactions to the funny things seem more natural.
Examples please.
The reaction of the imperial trooper to Kylo choking Hux. “Right away sir”. I don’t have a problem with anything except the delivery. He should be scared as hell or something but he’s just saying funny one liners. Compare that to everyone’s reactions to Vader’s chokings in ESB. It makes it all look like a skit something made purely for comedy, and I personally prefer comedy when it comes naturally.
Probably not important but he didn’t choke Hux there. And “right away” seems like the perfect reaction, the whole reason Kylo got mad at Hux was because he was second guessing him.
The “busy day” joke. That’s something really weird and disrespectful to say if you’re Rey. Sure Luke disrespected Yoda at first, but after he learned his true identity it was nothing but respect. I was ok with the nowhere joke and the tickling joke, both work really well and feel more natural.
Disrespectful? Who cares? She has every right to be at this point, Luke’s chucked the saber, he’s told her to go away multiple times. Rey’s followed him around and can’t see why he won’t help. Of course she’s frustrated. What is she supposed to say, “please, great Master Skywalker, sir, I wonder if I could inquire why you won’t train me, for I cannot determine what else you are doing on this island alone.”
Saying that Luke had the utmost respect for Yoda once he learned his identity is a little silly. He ignored his commands on multiple occasions and told him “you ask the impossible.” Just because they’re Jedi masters doesn’t mean characters absolutely have to revere them.
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Yeah, that’s why I said that it was the delivery that bothered me. For Rey’s case it applies too, but definitely less so. Like you pointed out, Luke was indeed being a dick.
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Honestly i loved the film but of course there were 2 things that urked me but not in a bad way just something i wished they done differently.
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Vice Admiral Holdo, Thought she was waaay too controlive for my taste but she redeemed herself when she sacrifice herself to destroy the first order’s ships.
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Luke not really fighting kylo, I think someone on here mentioned saying the fight should’ve been something like Obi wan vs Vader & to a large extent i agree because while the trilogy is about rey like hammil said but it’s also Luke’s last ride much like Han’s in TFA so they should’ve shown him owning kylo in a duel before dying.
But other then that i love the film as is & can’t wait to get it on dvd.
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But Luke did totally own Kylo Ren in a duel before dying…
And it was a most ingenious and satisfying victory for Luke. I don’t love everything about the movie, but I did love how this was handled.
I get that it may not have been the traditional sword fight you were looking for, but consider this. I once had a Kendo sensei teach me that you do not win a swordfight with the cut or strike. You beat your opponent in mind and spirit before you even begin the stroke. The striking of a winning blow is merely the confirmation of your victory.*
In this sense, I think Luke’s victory over kylo is actually the most poignant and intense victory he could have achieved and I found that immensely satisfying.
*it’s worth noting that I continued training regularly for many years after this lesson and found, through personal experience, it is absolutely true.
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The movie is good. My only issue is the Opera lady. That is literally the only thing that I would edit. Maybe the “saving what we love” quote. Maybe.
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New HISHE video on TLJ, something for everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB8DUGpYQQ
This is freakin’ hilarious! What’s scary though, is that the ending is…well…pretty damn cool…
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All in all I liked it. As a matter of fact I think it’s a great movie. My only real problem is how many characters are in it. The movie has to balance OT and TFA characters while introducing new ones. The only way to handle so many is to create subplots which in turn make the film feel longer than it needs to be.
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With so many I can’t choose a protagonist. Having Plinkett TPM flashbacks now, but can anyone name the main character? Everyone has character arcs but all the arcs just happen like that. Rey accepts her parents and the light, Luke returns, Kylo kills Snoke. Even if they were planning beforehand or changing offscreen, it ends up feeling epic the first plot twist but upon later viewing turns the story hollow. I don’t mind Luke and Kylo but when it comes to Rey she should had a bigger prominence in the story.
Oh well. Again TLJ is a great movie imo. I tend to get overly critical of any SW movie not perfect.
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The movie is good. My only issue is the Opera lady. That is literally the only thing that I would edit. Maybe the “saving what we love” quote. Maybe.
One thing I’d definitely want to do if I knew how to is re-rotoscoping the lightsabers, and maybe fixing some wipes.
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TLJ spoiler policy is now lifted. Go nuts!
Where were you in '77?
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FWIW the one you just quote from RO (choke on your aspirations) was one of the few in RO that annoyed me.
That’s not the only crappy Vader line in R1. “Its power to create problems has certainly been confirmed” is not as bad, but it’s pertty bad. No one talks like this, and it’s pretty unnatural and forced. These were Vader’s “badass” lines in the OT:
“I find your lack of faith disturbing”
“Don’t act so surprised, Your Highness, you weren’t on a mercy mission this time”
“You have failed me for the last time, Admiral”
“We would be honored if you would join us”
"[…] but I want them alive. No disintegrations"
“I’m here to put you back on schedule”
“I hope so, Commander, for your own sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am”
“Don’t fail me again… Admiral”
“Your powers are weak, old man”
“Apology accepted, Captain Needa”
Except for, maybe, the last case (my least favorite Vader line in the first two movies), none of these lines sounds like Vader trying hard to be a comedian. When Vader chokes the guy in Star Wars, the punchline isn’t that he’s choking the guy. The punchline is that Vader is more powerful and does not allow people to undermine him. When Vader chokes Ozzel, the punchline isn’t that he’s choking the incompetent admiral, the punchline is that Vader has no tolerance for incompetent Imperials.
But the key point here is that almost all these lines have in common one thing: Vader is showing his power and domination over someone (the OT trio, other Imperial officers, etc). He mocks Leia because he knows she’s an enemy and she cannot escape. He mocks Obi-Wan because now Vader is the master. He tells Ozzel his services are no longer needed and warns Piett of making any mistake; he’s not telling him “hahaha I can choke you” (or at least he is telling more than that). He tells Jerjerrod the Emperor is even less patient and forgiving; Vader of course assumes Jerjerrod is aware of his own reputation. By comparison, “its power to create problems has certainly been confirmed” is Vader saying a funny line. It’s aimed at no one, it could be said by Vader or anyone at any moment, regardless of the context. And that kind of setup-punchline moments are way too common in the Disney movies (and the prequels too). [Vader’s “no disintegrations” is almost an exception, because he’s not warning Boba Fett, he’s merely saying he is disappointed by Boba Fett’s actions in an earlier mission, yet I don’t think Vader is trying to be “funny”]
In Star Wars, Leia telling Han that she’s surprised he has survived all this time by following his own rules is not a cheap setup-punchline. It follows several scenes of them bickering over anything, including the trash compactor scenes, and it leads to other scenes of the two having pointless discussions. Leia isn’t stopping the movie, her words are part of the scene.
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You can argue Vader is the wrong kind of funny in RO without arguing Vader isn’t funny at all. Because he definitely is.
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Oh, but I do think it isn’t a particularly funny line precisely because it’s a Vader line and it’s too long and forced. “It has the power to create problems” is shorter and flows better, and sounds more like something Han could say.
It also does not help that the Mustafar scenes are filler, as they do not advance the plot or give information, so I don’t really like Vader in R1.
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But Luke did totally own Kylo Ren in a duel before dying…
And it was a most ingenious and satisfying victory for Luke. I don’t love everything about the movie, but I did love how this was handled.
I get that it may not have been the traditional sword fight you were looking for, but consider this. I once had a Kendo sensei teach me that you do not win a swordfight with the cut or strike. You beat your opponent in mind and spirit before you even begin the stroke. The striking of a winning blow is merely the confirmation of your victory.*
In this sense, I think Luke’s victory over kylo is actually the most poignant and intense victory he could have achieved and I found that immensely satisfying.
*it’s worth noting that I continued training regularly for many years after this lesson and found, through personal experience, it is absolutely true.
Okay scratch that part from the things that urked me now because the way you described made me love the fight now!
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You either die a trilogy or live long enough to see yourself become batman & robin.
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Oh, but I do think it isn’t a particularly funny line precisely because it’s a Vader line and it’s too long and forced. “It has the power to create problems” is shorter and flows better, and sounds more like something Han could say.
It also does not help that the Mustafar scenes are filler, as they do not advance the plot or give information, so I don’t really like Vader in R1.
I don’t much like the scene either, and I don’t find his lines all that funny there. What I meant is that he is funny in the OT, so going for funny in RO wasn’t an inherently bad idea.
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Oh, but I do think it isn’t a particularly funny line precisely because it’s a Vader line and it’s too long and forced. “It has the power to create problems” is shorter and flows better, and sounds more like something Han could say.
It also does not help that the Mustafar scenes are filler, as they do not advance the plot or give information, so I don’t really like Vader in R1.
I don’t much like the scene either, and I don’t find his lines all that funny there. What I meant is that he is funny in the OT, so going for funny in RO wasn’t an inherently bad idea.
Okay, now I understand your point. I agree with you here; I wasn’t saying I have a problem with Vader being funny in R1, it’s the execution and context what makes his appearance a rather poor imitation.
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https://twitter.com/hamillhimself/status/964669204384268288
this is important, but I still disagree.
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Unpopular opinion, i thought Luke’s story was the perfect end for his character.
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Unpopular opinion, i thought Luke’s story was the perfect end for his character.
So do I. And it’s not even a definitive end. His legend will live on and I’d be surprised if he doesn’t show up as a ghost later.
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I agree. The heart of the movie was the interplay between Luke, Rey, Kylo and Snoke. And almost all of it worked for me. That’s why I like the movie overall, despite the fact I felt the other storylines were flawed and dragged it down somewhat. Whatever you think about the plot holes of the space chase or Finn’s prequely adventures on Canto Bight, you’re ought to love the movie if you feel the story of the “Force” characters were satisfying, and hate it if you don’t.