2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympic Games — Page 3

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

huh?

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

You’ve already said I’ve missed the point of what she said, why do you think reposting what she said would suddenly make me understand the point?

I don’t understand your point. She’s saying to go out and do your best and don’t worry about your gender. What’s wrong with that?

I don’t see anywhere that she said “men and women are exactly the same.”

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

huh?

Gender roles and stereotypes are more societal constructs than biological truths.

Generally true. To Warbler’s point, however, there’s no denying on average that males are stronger/faster than females. But I don’t know why he’s even arguing that given the context of the article.

Warb, just think about that statement for a second. “Men are the standard that we should judge all genders by when it comes to sports.” It’s inherently sexist.

That’s like if we said, sure Usain Bolt is fast, but cheatahs set the standard when it comes to running.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

huh?

Gender roles and stereotypes are more societal constructs than biological truths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_100_metres#Final

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_100_metres#Final

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

You’ve already said I’ve missed the point of what she said, why do you think reposting what she said would suddenly make me understand the point?

I don’t understand your point. She’s saying to go out and do your best and don’t worry about your gender. What’s wrong with that?

If that is what she meant, nothing is wrong with it.

I don’t see anywhere that she said “men and women are exactly the same.”

well perhaps I did misunderstand.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

You’ve already said I’ve missed the point of what she said, why do you think reposting what she said would suddenly make me understand the point?

I don’t understand your point. She’s saying to go out and do your best and don’t worry about your gender. What’s wrong with that?

If that is what she meant, nothing is wrong with it.

I don’t see anywhere that she said “men and women are exactly the same.”

well perhaps I did misunderstand.

Thank you.

Granted, it’s possible I’ve misunderstood what she’s saying, but I don’t think so.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Physiology

“most males are taller and stronger than females”

Warbler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Physiology

“most males are taller and stronger than females”

WARB, STOP

we know. this is why people say missing the point.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.

First off, it was a joke.

Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right. Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?

Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.

First off, it was a joke.

Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right.

true, I would not always be right, but the majority of time I would be.

Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?

Yes.

Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.

true.

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Physiology

“most males are taller and stronger than females”

WARB, STOP

we know.

yhwx said:

Gender roles and stereotypes are more societal constructs than biological truths.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.

First off, it was a joke.

Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right.

true, I would not always be right, but the majority of time I would be.

Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?

Yes.

Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.

true.

I’m glad we could come to this understanding.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.

Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!

not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.

First off, it was a joke.

Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right.

true, I would not always be right, but the majority of time I would be.

Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?

Yes.

Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.

true.

I’m glad we could come to this understanding.

ok.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I wonder if there are some sports where women are actually objectively better than men. For instance, certain judged aspects of figure skating and gymnastics?

There are two olympic sports that are gender neutral - equestrian and curling. The latter doesn’t surprise me, but the former does - it requires a lot of strength and athleticism.

In my favorite sport of table tennis, it is no contest - the top woman in the world couldn’t break the top 100 in the men’s ranking, and that has been true since the beginning.

It is interesting to think about. What I think about is, are the ways that we judge things favoring masculinity? Most of sport is traditionally a measure of the fast and strong. But there are other things that we could be measuring, but don’t.

Our roots are predominantly patriarchal and masculine, so of course we prize that first and foremost. But it certainly is not the only measure of skill. Just like an IQ test doesn’t tell us everything.

It would be interesting to see if any of the matriarchal societies have athletic competitions, and how they judge them.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Let’s say, if video games were to become a sport women would probably be better if they were as dedicated as men. Unfortunately it’s another activity that got lost in the sexist world. “Video games are for boys…”

Collipso said:

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Let’s say, if video games were to become a sport women would probably be better if they were as dedicated as men. Unfortunately it’s another activity that got lost in the sexist world. “Video games are for boys…”

video games aren’t sports. I would not say “Video games are for boys…”, but I don’t know why you think that women “would probably be better” I don’t know either gender would be an advantage in video games.

Warbler said:

Collipso said:

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Let’s say, if video games were to become a sport women would probably be better if they were as dedicated as men. Unfortunately it’s another activity that got lost in the sexist world. “Video games are for boys…”

video games aren’t sports.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I wonder if there are some sports where women are actually objectively better than men. For instance, certain judged aspects of figure skating and gymnastics?

possibly. But the men are clearly better at the jumps in figure skating. The men are regularly doing quads while the women are doing triples and doubles.

As for gymnastics, the men do different types of gymnastics as compared to women. Different apparatuses. Men do the Floor Exercise, Pommel Horse, Still Rings, Vault, Parallel Bars, and Horizontal Bar, and women do the Vault, Uneven Bars, Balance Beam, and Floor Exercise. Additionally the floor exercise differs between men and women. The men’s it is more about strength. The women’s is more about the flips and they use music while the men do not. It is possible that the women would be able to beat men on the Uneven Bars, Balance Beam, and Floor Exercise(done women’s style) and the men would be able to beat the women on the Floor Exercise(done men’s style), Pommel Horse, Still Rings, Parallel Bars, and Horizontal Bar. I would think men would do better at the vault as strength and speed(the run up to the vault) come into play there.

There are two olympic sports that are gender neutral - equestrian and curling. The latter doesn’t surprise me, but the former does - it requires a lot of strength and athleticism.

probably cause it is more about controlling the horse.