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Warbler said:

Ok, who is running the security at these games, the three stooges?? Apparently some jerk got past security at the opening ceremonies and was on the floor and got next to the guy singing the traditional Korean song. What if that guy had be a terrorist/nut with a bomb or a gun or something? How the hell does that happen? Then later on that same guy(according to NBC) was on the floor again! How he not arrested right after he was seen by everyone on camera next guy that was singing the tradition Korean song? HE WAS ON CAMERA!! HE WAS RIGHT NEXT SOMEONE THAT WAS SINGING A SOLO!! EVERYONE IN THE STADIUM MUST HAVE SEEN HIM! If he was arrested, HOW DID HE GET AWAY FROM SECURITY AND GET THE FLOOR AGAIN! There needs to be an investigation of this. This a was major screw-up that could have cost lives The people in charge of security there should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fan-crashes-performances-pyeongchang-opening-ceremony-040713565.html

Eluding Security in the stadium is a different thing from eluding security entering the stadium. I completely agree it’s pretty embarrassing that they let that guy get on stage like that twice.

So maybe I am a little naive to hope that their at the door security would have detected a gun or bomb. But it probably would have?

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Russians Hacked the Olympics, maybe?

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dahmage said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2018/02/13/582091144/aerials-skier-ashley-caldwells-bold-move-a-quadruple-twisting-triple-flip

I post here because it is Olympics, but it also has very interesting gender equality content. Quite worth reading.

I give this article 10/10 for being super interesting but also I’m deducting 9 points from that score for not including video of this quadruple triple twisting full full double triple quadruple flip twist.

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DominicCobb said:

dahmage said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2018/02/13/582091144/aerials-skier-ashley-caldwells-bold-move-a-quadruple-twisting-triple-flip

I post here because it is Olympics, but it also has very interesting gender equality content. Quite worth reading.

I give this article 10/10 for being super interesting but also I’m deducting 9 points from that score for not including video of this quadruple triple twisting full full double triple quadruple flip twist.

if it was a 0 out of 10 i would report you for being a troll, but a 1/10 i guess i can accept.

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dahmage said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2018/02/13/582091144/aerials-skier-ashley-caldwells-bold-move-a-quadruple-twisting-triple-flip

I post here because it is Olympics, but it also has very interesting gender equality content. Quite worth reading.

I am glad she succeeded in doing her trick. I wish nothing but the best for her. I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system). But

I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.

I think this is wrong. Call me sexist all you want. But males on the average physically stronger and bigger than females. She said of her trick “Only two girls have ever done it, and I’m the only one who’s ever landed it, so it’s a bold move.” What she left out is how many males have done it and landed. I willing to bet a lot more. I’m sorry but boys are the standard when it comes to sports. There is a reason why they compete separately in the Olympics. If they competed against each other it would be extremely rare for a female to win gold in any sport. When a female figure skater lands a triple axel it is a big deal, it is just ordinary when a male figure skater does it. I remember looking at the times for the 100 yard dash in the Olympics a few years back. I compared the times for the female runners to the male runners. I remember that female Gold medalist wouldn’t have gotten near the podium if she ran that same time against the males. There are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs. Sorry, it not pc, but it is truth.

Oh if you want to talk about Gender equality, what about the males whom are just as good as the female Olympians but can’t get anywhere near the Olympics because they have to compete in the male category. I am willing to bet there are male athletes that have done the same trick Ashley Caldwell did but didn’t make the Olympics because they were males.

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Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

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dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

dahmage said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2018/02/13/582091144/aerials-skier-ashley-caldwells-bold-move-a-quadruple-twisting-triple-flip

I post here because it is Olympics, but it also has very interesting gender equality content. Quite worth reading.

I give this article 10/10 for being super interesting but also I’m deducting 9 points from that score for not including video of this quadruple triple twisting full full double triple quadruple flip twist.

if it was a 0 out of 10 i would report you for being a troll, but a 1/10 i guess i can accept.

I would have in turn reported you for calling me a troll. I mean damn, it’s not like I said she had a squirrel face or something.

Also, warb, you missed the point.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2018/02/13/582091144/aerials-skier-ashley-caldwells-bold-move-a-quadruple-twisting-triple-flip

I post here because it is Olympics, but it also has very interesting gender equality content. Quite worth reading.

I am glad she succeeded in doing her trick. I wish nothing but the best for her. I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system). But

I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.

I think this is wrong. Call me sexist all you want. But males on the average physically stronger and bigger than females. She said of her trick “Only two girls have ever done it, and I’m the only one who’s ever landed it, so it’s a bold move.” What she left out is how many males have done it and landed. I willing to bet a lot more. I’m sorry but boys are the standard when it comes to sports. There is a reason why they compete separately in the Olympics. If they competed against each other it would be extremely rare for a female to win gold in any sport. When a female figure skater lands a triple axel it is a big deal, it is just ordinary when a male figure skater does it. I remember looking at the times for the 100 yard dash in the Olympics a few years back. I compared the times for the female runners to the male runners. I remember that female Gold medalist wouldn’t have gotten near the podium if she ran that same time against the males. There more differences between males and females than what is between their legs. Sorry, it not pc, but it is truth.

Oh if you want to talk about Gender equality, what about the males whom are just as good as the female Olympians but can’t get anywhere near the Olympics because they have to compete in the male category. I am willing to bet there are male athletes that have done the same trick Ashley Caldwell did but didn’t make the Olympics because they were males.

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

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dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

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TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

Ok.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

She talks about about gender equality in the one area where the genders are not equal. She says boys aren’t the standard, when the are. I know it is not pc, but it is the truth.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

Ok.

It is the truth.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

She talks about about gender equality in the one area where the genders are not equal. She says boys aren’t the standard, when the are. I know it is not pc, but it is the truth.

from a certain point of view.

It is the truth, but it also isn’t.

I challenge you to consider why saying that boys are the standard is sexist.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

She talks about about gender equality in the one area where the genders are not equal. She says boys aren’t the standard, when the are. I know it is not pc, but it is the truth.

Again, you’ve missed her point.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

She talks about about gender equality in the one area where the genders are not equal. She says boys aren’t the standard, when the are. I know it is not pc, but it is the truth.

from a certain point of view.

It is the truth, but it also isn’t.

Please elaborate.

I challenge you to consider why saying that boys are the standard is sexist.

I say males are the standard when it comes to sports. I see no reason to reconsider that unless people give me good reason to.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

what did you think about this part of the article though?

Caldwell’s teammate, Mac Bohonnon, says the scoring scale is one factor dissuading women from doing triples. At the elite level, men have to do triples to be competitive. But, Bohonnon says, triples aren’t scored with a high enough degree of difficulty to make them worth the risk for women.

“It’s a more dangerous jump, it’s a more challenging jump, it’s a scarier jump,” he says, “and I think there’s no reward for women doing triples. In my eyes, they’re almost punished. They’re getting beat by easy doubles.”

The logic goes, if you can reach the podium more securely with a less challenging jump, why not just stick to a double?

There is something to that, no? If you tell the female athletes to only attempt to achieve a certain level, but tell the male athletes to attempt to achieve a higher level, that plays a part in the eventual level they achieve.

I think the end goal should be that both genders are pushed just as far, and challenged to the ability of the person, not to their genders abilities.

Warbler said:

I agree maybe the points should be higher for triples (I say that without knowing anything about the point system).

I have no problem with the scoring being the same for males and females. I have no problem with pushing both males and females to be the best they can possibly be.

Then I’m not sure exactly what your problem is.

She talks about about gender equality in the one area where the genders are not equal. She says boys aren’t the standard, when the are. I know it is not pc, but it is the truth.

Again, you’ve missed her point.

and her point is?

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“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

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TV’s Frink said:

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

You’ve already said I’ve missed the point of what she said, why do you think reposting what she said would suddenly make me understand the point?

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Full quote provided for context.

Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”

So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.

“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”

As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.

A lot of that difference is made up.