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my existence is an affront to God.
No it is not.
Not enough people read the EU.
The Place to Go for Emotional Support — Page 90
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My mother began pressing me to talk to her tonight. She seems to think I’m still depressed (I am, but I can’t let her know that I’m too bad). She tried to convince me to stay home at a local university this fall, but I don’t think I can make myself stay. Then again, if I leave, I don’t think I’ll survive. My gay ass deserves to rot. I don’t see what the point in living is, I’m never truly going to be happy, I’m never going to let myself for one reason or another.
Hey coffee. That must be one of the toughest situations… I don’t really know what to tell you. I am going to say that we’re all here for you, but that doesn’t really help.
Please don’t give life up, it’s the greatest gift one could receive (from god, if you believe in such things). From all that you’ve posted here in the forum that I’ve seen I can tell you’re one hell of a smart guy, and very kind too. You’re a nice person, a person that I’d love to know IRL and have a friendship with. And I only know the unhappy you, which really makes me wish I knew the happy you.
Some friends of mine also have trouble telling their parents the truth sometimes because their parents are incomprehensible to say the least. That was never the case with any of my gay friends, so to hear that incomprehensible religious parents have a gay depressed child in you makes me want to just hug you and tell you that everything is going to be all right.
And everything is going to be all right, coffee.
Please believe that.
About college, is it possible for you to go to a smaller school where you know a close friend of yours is going? Sorry if the suggestion is absolutely absurd - the college system in the US still confuses me a little bit. But maybe a smaller school could be nicer than a big one, less overwhelming, more personal classes, get to know people… And if the situation is so bad at home, try to leave, as hard as it may seem. Even if you don’t, I believe in you, and I believe that you can. Yes, you can. I believe that you can go out there and conquer the world instead of die trying.
Your gay ass doesn’t deserve to rot, quite the opposite. Like I said, you’re a wonderful person from what I’ve seen so far and I honestly think it’s safe to say that I’ve seen enough to be sure that I am right. Don’t say things like that, it’s almost as if you’re either convinced of it or is trying to convince yourself of it. Please don’t. You’re more than that and I wouldn’t want you to think otherwise.
I can’t ask you much, but I will ask you to believe that things will get better and that you’re a very nice guy that doesn’t deserve to rot.
Finally, I wanted to say how sorry I am for basically talking and talking and not saying anything really impactful… but know that I’m sending you much love. For real. I hope you eventually see a purpose in life coffee, even if not because you, but because you’ll be making other people really happy, which doesn’t seem to hard given how likeable you are.
Hoping for the best. Hang in there, bud. 😉
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My mother began pressing me to talk to her tonight. She seems to think I’m still depressed (I am, but I can’t let her know that I’m too bad). She tried to convince me to stay home at a local university this fall, but I don’t think I can make myself stay. Then again, if I leave, I don’t think I’ll survive. My gay ass deserves to rot. I don’t see what the point in living is, I’m never truly going to be happy, I’m never going to let myself for one reason or another.
Hey coffee. That must be one of the toughest situations… I don’t really know what to tell you. I am going to say that we’re all here for you, but that doesn’t really help.
Please don’t give life up, it’s the greatest gift one could receive (from god, if you believe in such things). From all that you’ve posted here in the forum that I’ve seen I can tell you’re one hell of a smart guy, and very kind too. You’re a nice person, a person that I’d love to know IRL and have a friendship with. And I only know the unhappy you, which really makes me wish I knew the happy you.
Some friends of mine also have trouble telling their parents the truth sometimes because their parents are incomprehensible to say the least. That was never the case with any of my gay friends, so to hear that incomprehensible religious parents have a gay depressed child in you makes me want to just hug you and tell you that everything is going to be all right.
And everything is going to be all right, coffee.
Please believe that.
About college, is it possible for you to go to a smaller school where you know a close friend of yours is going? Sorry if the suggestion is absolutely absurd - the college system in the US still confuses me a little bit. But maybe a smaller school could be nicer than a big one, less overwhelming, more personal classes, get to know people… And if the situation is so bad at home, try to leave, as hard as it may seem. Even if you don’t, I believe in you, and I believe that you can. Yes, you can. I believe that you can go out there and conquer the world instead of die trying.
Your gay ass doesn’t deserve to rot, quite the opposite. Like I said, you’re a wonderful person from what I’ve seen so far and I honestly think it’s safe to say that I’ve seen enough to be sure that I am right. Don’t say things like that, it’s almost as if you’re either convinced of it or is trying to convince yourself of it. Please don’t. You’re more than that and I wouldn’t want you to think otherwise.
I can’t ask you much, but I will ask you to believe that things will get better and that you’re a very nice guy that doesn’t deserve to rot.
Finally, I wanted to say how sorry I am for basically talking and talking and not saying anything really impactful… but know that I’m sending you much love. For real. I hope you eventually see a purpose in life coffee, even if not because you, but because you’ll be making other people really happy, which doesn’t seem to hard given how likeable you are.
Hoping for the best. Hang in there, bud. 😉
well said, Collipso.
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+∞ to every post above.
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What does the plus sign and the sideways 8 mean?
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What does the plus sign and the sideways 8 mean?
It’s the infinity symbol.
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We attend a church that preaches anything outside of heterosexual monogamy is “in contempt against the will of God,” and they’re both in agreement.
I’ve never understood that. What does god have against same-sex couples?
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We attend a church that preaches anything outside of heterosexual monogamy is “in contempt against the will of God,” and they’re both in agreement.
I’ve never understood that. What does god have against same-sex couples?
Absolutely nothing.
Outmoded conceptions of God, on the other hand. . . .
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We attend a church that preaches anything outside of heterosexual monogamy is “in contempt against the will of God,” and they’re both in agreement.
I’ve never understood that. What does god have against same-sex couples?
Since being gay is not a choice, but who you are, it’s not really something anyone can blame you for. Least of all God, if he made you.
It’s not something that anyone should blame anyone else for even if they could, either. You love who you love, and love is a great thing.
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We support you suspiciouscoffee. Wish I knew what to tell you, but I don’t. Just know that you have value.
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Suspiciouscoffee, you have a lot of value.
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We attend a church that preaches anything outside of heterosexual monogamy is “in contempt against the will of God,” and they’re both in agreement.
I’ve never understood that. What does god have against same-sex couples?
Nothing.
At least, I assume that if God exists, s/he (or it, probably) has nothing against same-sex couples. However, the people who claim to know what God wants, based on a book written by humans in the dark ages, claim that God has something against same-sex couples. And they use it as an excuse to discriminate against people that commit the high crime of being different than them.
Much love to you coffee, and Possessed, and everyone else.
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Thanks all. Rough night last night. I’ll probably be fine.
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Thanks all. Rough night last night. I’ll probably be fine.
You’re welcome coffe. Btw do you want cream or sugar in you before your served?
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my existence is an affront to God.
No it is not.
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God does not put any sin above any other sin. It is we who do that. There is nothing whatsoever that we ourselves, of our own doing, can do to be worthy in God’s sight. “For all have sinned and fall short of God’s glorious standard.” Your sin, suspiciouscoffee, is an affront to God, but so is your parents’. So is ender’s and Warbler’s. So is mine. That is why Christ gave himself as an eternal sacrifice for us, to cover our sin so that God might see us as worthy.
It doesn’t matter if you are who you are, or whether you can help it, or whether people think it’s wrong. It matters that you pursue a relationship with Him. No, you are not worthy of it but neither is anyone else. Your parents are not worthy of it. If they don’t accept you for your sin, they are hypocrites because God forgave them just as He forgives you. People who judge those who sin forget themselves and the truth of what God had to forgive of them.
“If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? […] No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
You are His child. Don’t forget that. He will not rebuke you for who you are.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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based on a book written by humans in the dark ages
JFTR, the texts of the Bible were written long before the Dark Ages (scholars dislike the term, BTW).
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based on a book written by humans in the dark ages
JFTR, the texts of the Bible were written long before the Dark Ages
That does not make them irrelevant.
they use it as an excuse to discriminate against people that commit the high crime of being different than them.
Yes, and Jesus himself rebuked people who did that and called them “whitewashed tombs.” The scriptures say “they will know we are His disciples by our love for one another”, not they will know by how hypocritically judgy we are.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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based on a book written by humans in the dark ages
JFTR, the texts of the Bible were written long before the Dark Ages (scholars dislike the term, BTW).
That does not make them irrelevant.
I wasn’t implying that it did.
On the other hand, since I don’t consider Biblical inerrancy a tenable position, I don’t believe every book, chapter, and verse of the Bible (Hebrew/Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox/etc.) to be of divinely inspired equal merit, either.
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Nice one chryon8472, I was going to use those very same verses.
And to coffee, remember that Paul wrote those verses from Romans and the truth that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, not even ourselves meaning that once we are in Christ, we are in Him forever regardless of what we do.
This is especially important in Paul’s life, a murder who persecuted the church, killed Stephen and referred to himself as the 'chief of sinners". And in spite of all that, God still loved Paul and used Paul for great things. I am confident He can do the same for you.
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Thanks all. Rough night last night. I’ll probably be fine.
We’ll be here for you
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based on a book written by humans in the dark ages
JFTR, the texts of the Bible were written long before the Dark Ages (scholars dislike the term, BTW).
JFTR I was using the term “dark ages” as a descriptor rather than a reference to the specific time period.
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Good response chyron. This shouldn’t become a debate about religious doctrine but I think chyron’s response is important because traditional Christian doctrine is perfectly reconcilable with coffee finding happiness. There are mistaken views about sinfulness within and without religion. As others have said, if you need human support, we’re here. Also, not sure what your moniker signifies but as a coffee addict I like it.
The blue elephant in the room.
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My mother began pressing me to talk to her tonight. She seems to think I’m still depressed (I am, but I can’t let her know that I’m too bad). She tried to convince me to stay home at a local university this fall, but I don’t think I can make myself stay. Then again, if I leave, I don’t think I’ll survive. My gay ass deserves to rot. I don’t see what the point in living is, I’m never truly going to be happy, I’m never going to let myself for one reason or another.
Personally, I hope you get the chance to go to a bigger university away from where you live. There you’d very quickly learn that the kind of mindset you’ve been brought up in is very much in the minority and that most people out there are incredibly accepting of people for who they are. This world’s got a lot to offer, and you’re a good guy, you deserve to find that out for yourself.
(also the truth is, most gay guys are actually a lot smarter and more thoughtful than straight guys)
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I would like to remind all in this thread about what this thread is for. Let it not turn into a political or religious debate. That can be done in other threads.
Suspiciouscoffee, just know that I am praying for you.
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My mother began pressing me to talk to her tonight. She seems to think I’m still depressed (I am, but I can’t let her know that I’m too bad). She tried to convince me to stay home at a local university this fall, but I don’t think I can make myself stay. Then again, if I leave, I don’t think I’ll survive. My gay ass deserves to rot. I don’t see what the point in living is, I’m never truly going to be happy, I’m never going to let myself for one reason or another.
Personally, I hope you get the chance to go to a bigger university away from where you live. There you’d very quickly learn that the kind of mindset you’ve been brought up in is very much in the minority and that most people out there are incredibly accepting of people for who they are. This world’s got a lot to offer, and you’re a good guy, you deserve to find that out for yourself.
All of this right here. And I echo the sentiments that your parents very well might end up being more supportive than you expect them to be, religious beliefs or no.