Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 607

darth_ender said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

It irks me when people conflate the opinions of some Republicans with the opinions of all Republicans, or some conservatives with all conservatives, or holding some views with holding all views. It really irks me that, just because there are racist Republicans or uneducated conservatives or a moron Republican for a president, that so many liberals feel that they are so obviously right on every issue that there is no debate about anything.

“Republican lawmakers, including Lindsay Graham.”

Feel better now?

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone who voted for that bill wants to take away our (my wife’s and I’s) choice to terminate our pregnancy because it’s past a magic number of weeks and who gives a damn what the actual circumstances are. So yeah, I don’t care what your opinion of that is, not one bit.

A constructive dialogue would be possible if people were willing to talk and listen to each other. The 20 week point is when fetuses may be able to feel pain. I think circumstances do make a difference. Sadly, this all becomes a moot point. Inflicting pain and killing a life just because it is inconvenient/unwanted is what troubles me. Whatever policy views one has, I don’t know how one can’t be troubled by that.

Agreed, and while I sympathize with TV’s Frink’s plight and actually support his stance in those specific circumstances, his purely emotional argument any time someone tries to discuss the topic interferes with any constructive dialogue. To me, the circumstances do matter. Even the time frame, while not enough of a justification for me, is still pertinent to the debate, as you have pointed out, Mrebo.

Frink, I appreciate how much you have shared here. But there is no talking about it constructively because you always get so offended.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

Not to mention conflating the old Republican party with the present-day Republican party. The Republican party ended slavery? Yay! That Republican party no longer exists.

Now all Republicans are racists! It’s so simple to put them all in a box instead of using my head a bit! Yay!

darth_ender said:

Frink, I appreciate how much you have shared here. But there is no talking about it constructively because you always get so offended.

I’m offended by Lindsay Graham, and specifically his equating this issue to all the other civil rights issues of the past. I don’t believe a woman should be able to get an abortion at 37 weeks just because she’s changed her mind, by the way.

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

Not to mention conflating the old Republican party with the present-day Republican party. The Republican party ended slavery? Yay! That Republican party no longer exists.

Now all Republicans are racists! It’s so simple to put them all in a box instead of using my head a bit! Yay!

Yeah 'cause that’s even close to what I said.

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone who voted for that bill wants to take away our (my wife’s and I’s) choice to terminate our pregnancy because it’s past a magic number of weeks and who gives a damn what the actual circumstances are. So yeah, I don’t care what your opinion of that is, not one bit.

A constructive dialogue would be possible if people were willing to talk and listen to each other. The 20 week point is when fetuses may be able to feel pain. I think circumstances do make a difference. Sadly, this all becomes a moot point. Inflicting pain and killing a life just because it is inconvenient/unwanted is what troubles me. Whatever policy views one has, I don’t know how one can’t be troubled by that.

Of course that troubles me. But the Republican Party tries to make all abortions illegal after 20 weeks, and that’s bullshit.

Some do. And I thought this wasn’t about the Republican Party. It was about one guy who said history was on his side.

Oh, I guess it was about one party’s views. Maybe you should go a reread the rest of my long post, now.

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone who voted for that bill wants to take away our (my wife’s and I’s) choice to terminate our pregnancy because it’s past a magic number of weeks and who gives a damn what the actual circumstances are. So yeah, I don’t care what your opinion of that is, not one bit.

A constructive dialogue would be possible if people were willing to talk and listen to each other. The 20 week point is when fetuses may be able to feel pain. I think circumstances do make a difference. Sadly, this all becomes a moot point. Inflicting pain and killing a life just because it is inconvenient/unwanted is what troubles me. Whatever policy views one has, I don’t know how one can’t be troubled by that.

Of course that troubles me. But the Republican Party tries to make all abortions illegal after 20 weeks, and that’s bullshit.

Some do. And I thought this wasn’t about the Republican Party. It was about one guy who said history was on his side.

Oh, I guess it was about one party’s views. Maybe you should go a reread the rest of my long post, now.

One guy plus everyone else who voted that way. Including a few asshole Democrats, by the way.

But he was the one who said the thing that really fired me up.

Since you’re not reading or comprehending my posts I don’t see why I should return the favor by the way.

History is never on anyone’s side. All these grand myths are a lot uglier the closer you look at them.

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

It irks me when people conflate the opinions of some Republicans with the opinions of all Republicans, or some conservatives with all conservatives, or holding some views with holding all views. It really irks me that, just because there are racist Republicans or uneducated conservatives or a moron Republican for a president, that so many liberals feel that they are so obviously right on every issue that there is no debate about anything.

“Republican lawmakers, including Lindsay Graham.”

Feel better now?

Not really, because you use so much emotion about this issue to complete disrespect my views. You want to know something? I am very emotional about this topic as well, and not because I am an uneducated, anti-women knuckle-dragger.

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

It irks me when people conflate the opinions of some Republicans with the opinions of all Republicans, or some conservatives with all conservatives, or holding some views with holding all views. It really irks me that, just because there are racist Republicans or uneducated conservatives or a moron Republican for a president, that so many liberals feel that they are so obviously right on every issue that there is no debate about anything.

“Republican lawmakers, including Lindsay Graham.”

Feel better now?

Not really, because you use so much emotion about this issue to complete disrespect my views. You want to know something? I am very emotional about this topic as well, and not because I am an uneducated, anti-women knuckle-dragger.

I’m sorry your party has lost its way.

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

Frink, I appreciate how much you have shared here. But there is no talking about it constructively because you always get so offended.

I’m offended by Lindsay Graham, and specifically his equating this issue to all the other civil rights issues of the past. I don’t believe a woman should be able to get an abortion at 37 weeks just because she’s changed her mind.

But many liberals do believe that. And I see nothing wrong with the equating of civil rights. Conservatives want to preserve life and freedom, and as I pointed out, Republicans (who were still conservative, even if the party was different then) advocated to end slavery and give women universal suffrage. They see restricting abortion as preserving the child’s rights and freedoms. There is a comparison to be made, whether you care for it or not.

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

Not to mention conflating the old Republican party with the present-day Republican party. The Republican party ended slavery? Yay! That Republican party no longer exists.

Now all Republicans are racists! It’s so simple to put them all in a box instead of using my head a bit! Yay!

Yeah 'cause that’s even close to what I said.

Not everything communicated is actually said. It’s essentially what you have implied, both in that comment and in past conversation in this thread.

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Everyone who voted for that bill wants to take away our (my wife’s and I’s) choice to terminate our pregnancy because it’s past a magic number of weeks and who gives a damn what the actual circumstances are. So yeah, I don’t care what your opinion of that is, not one bit.

A constructive dialogue would be possible if people were willing to talk and listen to each other. The 20 week point is when fetuses may be able to feel pain. I think circumstances do make a difference. Sadly, this all becomes a moot point. Inflicting pain and killing a life just because it is inconvenient/unwanted is what troubles me. Whatever policy views one has, I don’t know how one can’t be troubled by that.

Of course that troubles me. But the Republican Party tries to make all abortions illegal after 20 weeks, and that’s bullshit.

Some do. And I thought this wasn’t about the Republican Party. It was about one guy who said history was on his side.

Oh, I guess it was about one party’s views. Maybe you should go a reread the rest of my long post, now.

One guy plus everyone else who voted that way. Including a few asshole Democrats, by the way.

But he was the one who said the thing that really fired me up.

Since you’re not reading or comprehending my posts I don’t see why I should return the favor by the way.

Ah, this must be the very definition of perpetuating misunderstanding. I am at least attempting to understand. You are consciously choosing not to. Got it.

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

Not to mention conflating the old Republican party with the present-day Republican party. The Republican party ended slavery? Yay! That Republican party no longer exists.

Now all Republicans are racists! It’s so simple to put them all in a box instead of using my head a bit! Yay!

Yeah 'cause that’s even close to what I said.

Not everything communicated is actually said. It’s essentially what you have implied, both in that comment and in past conversation in this thread.

Ok fine. If you think I’m implying you’re a racist, then it’s pointless to make another response to you. So this is my last.

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

It irks me when people conflate the opinions of some Republicans with the opinions of all Republicans, or some conservatives with all conservatives, or holding some views with holding all views. It really irks me that, just because there are racist Republicans or uneducated conservatives or a moron Republican for a president, that so many liberals feel that they are so obviously right on every issue that there is no debate about anything.

“Republican lawmakers, including Lindsay Graham.”

Feel better now?

Not really, because you use so much emotion about this issue to complete disrespect my views. You want to know something? I am very emotional about this topic as well, and not because I am an uneducated, anti-women knuckle-dragger.

I’m sorry your party has lost its way.

Bear in mind, I abandoned the GOP in September of 2016. I feel the Democratic Party is very lost as well. Truthfully, both parties make me sick. But in the case of abortion, I am much closer in alignment to the Republican Party, and not very aligned with the Party I now technically belong to (Libertarian).

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

darth_ender said:

-Blacks gaining the right to eat in any restaurant they want

Oh, you mean those laws that were limited to the Southern states and were first introduced by the Democrat Party, and even when Republicans later began to support those laws, it was still isolated to the South.

It irks me when people conflate the Democratic party of the late 20th - 21st century and the pre-realignment Democratic party that originally represented rural America and the South. In short, the Democratic party was socially conservative until Roosevelt, and even then it took until the civil rights movement for conservative southern Democrats to abandon the party for the Republican ticket.

Not to mention conflating the old Republican party with the present-day Republican party. The Republican party ended slavery? Yay! That Republican party no longer exists.

Now all Republicans are racists! It’s so simple to put them all in a box instead of using my head a bit! Yay!

Yeah 'cause that’s even close to what I said.

Not everything communicated is actually said. It’s essentially what you have implied, both in that comment and in past conversation in this thread.

Ok fine. If you think I’m implying you’re a racist, then it’s pointless to make another response to you. So this is my last.

No, I think you are generalizing all Republicans and conservatives as racists. It’s like, well, many racists!

Racist: Oh, those blacks are so prone to crime.

Nearby black guy: Now wait a minute! I’m not a criminal. I’m a well-respected citizen!

Racist: Well, I’m not talking about you of course. Just all those criminal black people.

CatBus said:

darth_ender said:

CatBus said:

darth_ender said:

Democrat Party

You can do better.

I’d like to know what you are taking issue with

Calling people by their preferred names is a sign of the most basic level of respect, and bothering to learn their preferred name is part of that. You don’t have to call Republicans “Rethuglicans” to be disrespectful. In Sci-Fi terms, When Doctor Who insists on calling Mickey “Ricky”, it’s a sign of disrespect, even if there’s nothing insulting about the name “Ricky” per se and it could have been an honest mistake the first time.

Forgive my obliviousness to what you’re referring to, but do members of the Democrat Party not prefer to have their party referred to as the Democrat Party?

Again, perhaps the offending context would be clarifying. You’ve removed the rest of the sentence.

JEDIT: Rereading my post, I only say Democrat Party once, and I don’t know how I misused it.

JEDIT x2: Oh, I guess I never realized that was offensive. I will fix it.

I have often used the terms interchangeably. I was not trying to tie American Democrats to any Turkish parties. However, I have edited the original post for accuracy.

Well, it’s hard to sound intelligent in your arguments when one ignorantly makes insulting comments, but I hope the substance of my previous posts will be taken into account more than my error.