logo Sign In

The Last Jedi: The De-Feminized Fanedit — Page 7

This topic has been locked by a moderator.

Why was this topic locked?

Let it rot.

Author
Time

Ronster said:

Whenever a film is made, The names attached to any production give it a bankability.

South Korean films and Bollywood films in no way have the same amount of budget as Hollywood. So in terms of their financers they may only get a small pool of interested actors and the budgets that coincide with this. Hollywood has huge bankable names and is far more diverse than many other film industries in other cohntries particularly because they export their films world wide all the time.

Whilst people are complaining Hollywood should diversify further and i don’t have an issue if they chose to do so. The people complaining about diversifying are not the ones putting their money on the line, or taking a gamble with further diversity and perhaps less bankable names and smaller budgets. This could have a positive effect hollywood having to cope with much smaller budgets rather than overblown huge expensive big name productions. But it is all banking on the blockbusters these days.

So the people complainging have to ask themselves what they want. Big budget, big name productions or greater risk lower budget productions although they may still exceed budgets in Bollywood or South Korea. But also are the studios willing to take the risk too?

Perhaps foriegn film industries yearn for western actors in their films but simply can not afford the price tag attached to them?

Top tier actors and actresses would also have a dimished income if they were used less frequently. Basically. Hollywood actors and actresses would be taking a big hit and this would cause a scadal.

When ever you hear an actor or an actress is attached to a production. That means it has been regarded bankable and has a profit expectation on the name attached.

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness so you are not getting the same sort of performances as you once did in the blockbusters. So the performances have become restrained also compared with an older mindset.

I would like to add that i am not that keen on Bollywood it’s not my thing but I adore South Korean cinema and when I watch South Kordan films i don’t care that it has no white people or black people or how many women it has in it. I just enjoy the story for what it is.

Author
Time

Ah screw it I’m going to respond to one point because it’s quite amazingly ridiculous.

Ronster said:

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness

Perhaps you should think about the loads of terrific actors and actresses whose ability to even get on the screen has been restricted for years and years by racism and sexism.

I cut the rest out because I don’t know or care what you are trying to say.

Author
Time

Ronster said:

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness

What is this even supposed to mean dude

Like

Seriously

Author
Time
 (Edited)

They didn’t hire Kelly Marie Tran just because she was Asian. It was because she fit the part that Rian had written.

“Holy shit Empire sucks! It was trying to be too PC with a black character after the first one had only whites! What is this PC bullshit!”

“They only hired Caroline Blakiston to play Mon Mothma because she was a woman! Why do they keep hiring these women when there are plenty of men that could have done a better job?”

Just because someone in a movie isn’t white doesn’t mean that they were hired specifically because they weren’t white! Just because someone is a woman doesn’t mean that they were hired because they’re a woman!

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I will say I do believe that in the OT they were looking specifically for white actors to play imperial officers.

Author
Time

Well, in that case it makes sense because the Empire was supposed to be evocative of the Nazis. Seeing black ladies as imperial officers wouldn’t work if you’re trying to make the bad guys Nazis.

Seeing an Asian lady as a mechanic doesn’t mess with my internal logic.

Author
Time

snooker said:

Well, in that case it makes sense because the Empire was supposed to be evocative of the Nazis. Seeing black ladies as imperial officers wouldn’t work if you’re trying to make the bad guys Nazis.

😉

Author
Time

Jeebus said:

snooker said:

Well, in that case it makes sense because the Empire was supposed to be evocative of the Nazis. Seeing black ladies as imperial officers wouldn’t work if you’re trying to make the bad guys Nazis.

😉

What a stunningly awful picture. Did the artist not known how to use Google or watch the films? No rank badges and such an oversized buckle? The uniform dosn’t even fit her. Not even extras were dressed that badly in the OT.

Author
Time

snooker said:

Well, in that case it makes sense because the Empire was supposed to be evocative of the Nazis. Seeing black ladies as imperial officers wouldn’t work if you’re trying to make the bad guys Nazis.

Seeing an Asian lady as a mechanic doesn’t mess with my internal logic.

What about the asian guys that were allied with the nazis ?

Author
Time

Collipso said:

Ronster said:

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness

What is this even supposed to mean dude

Like

Seriously

Natalie Portman in Star Wars prequels i percieved as a bad actress. Wooden.

Natalie Portman in Black Swan I percieved as a really good actress. Amazing perdormance.

These blockbuster scripts confine all these actors to coming off like cardboard cut outs. Nothing wrong with the actors or actresses. The scripts are like being in jail.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Ronster said:

Collipso said:

Ronster said:

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness

What is this even supposed to mean dude

Like

Seriously

Natalie Portman in Star Wars prequels i percieved as a bad actress. Wooden.

Natalie Portman in Black Swan I percieved as a really good actress. Amazing perdormance.

These blockbuster scripts confine all these actors to coming off like cardboard cut outs. Nothing wrong with the actors or actresses. The scripts are like being in jail.

What the hell does that have to do with political correctness?

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

What the hell does that have to do with political correctness?

Why the hell are you asking Ronster to explain anything?

Author
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Ah screw it I’m going to respond to one point because it’s quite amazingly ridiculous.

Ronster said:

Something else that i have been thinking about as there are loads of terrific actors and actresses but their ability to act is being restricted by political correctness

Perhaps you should think about the loads of terrific actors and actresses whose ability to even get on the screen has been restricted for years and years by racism and sexism.

I cut the rest out because I don’t know or care what you are trying to say.

As I said it has nothing to do with racism or sexism it has to do with “stars” attached to productions and from the names attached a budget is formed i.e. prediction of profit based on how big the names are.

I like a lot of independant american films and i like to see new actors that don’t make the blockbusters. I did not make the system the way it is…

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Then answer the question. You haven’t done that yet.

Either that or admit you don’t know what “political correctness” means.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

A movie being a blockbuster is different from a movie being politically correct, I thought that was pretty obvious.

Author
Time

Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.

But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.

They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.

Author
Time

Ronster said:

Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.

But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.

They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.

bad scripts can cause what you are talking about.

Author
Time

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness

noun

the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Author
Time

Ronster said:

Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.

But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.

They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.

Yet the example you used was Natalie Portman in the PT, where she is wooden not because of political correctness (how fucking ridiculous an idea is it that pc makes actors wooden, not to mention the PT isn’t exactly politically correct), but because George Lucas wrote a script with shit dialogue and didn’t direct his actors well.

Author
Time

Ronster said:

Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.

But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.

They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.

Yeah I stand by my original assessment of the situation.

Author
Time

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

Political correctness is a framework of how to “act” (big key word there) or what can be said or what can’t be said and what is safe and won’t offend anyone.

But by stiffling actors so nobody can be offended by anything they could possiblg do i.e. the script is made safe for political corectfulness. The actors look like cardboard wooden and rubbish.

They are actually capable of much more but the material and the framework within which they are confined and boundaries that can not be crossed. The performances are bland and stiffled.

Yet the example you used was Natalie Portman in the PT, where she is wooden not because of political correctness (how fucking ridiculous an idea is it that pc makes actors wooden, not to mention the PT isn’t exactly politically correct), but because George Lucas wrote a script with shit dialogue and didn’t direct his actors well.

No It is not ridiculous at all. If it’s just even bad scripts it still is not going down well. If all actors have to work with is rubbish scripts it’s still not an excuse for all the money in Hollywood.

It is totally inexcuseable which ever way you look at it. There are plenty of actors and actresses that give far better performances outside of the blockbuster trash.

I have nothing else to say to you. In fact any of you at this time.

Author
Time

But Black Swan is more of a Hollywood movie than ROTS. And not evety blockbuster is poorly written.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.