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Disagree. IMO media has lots of biases, and they all affect political coverage:

  1. Laziness: Analysis is hard, transcription is easy. Got a divisive topic? Call up representatives from both sides and repeat what they said. Even if one or both sides are provably lying, don’t call them out on it. Let the audience decide. The audience you’re helping them misinform.
  2. Corporate: Most media organizations are also big businesses. Why run a story that would destroy a major sponsor or shareholder, when you could bury it and live to report another day?
  3. Story: Stories are more interesting than lack of a story. So if something happens that turns out to be inconsequential, should you drop it, or should you spice it up and run it anyway?
  4. Access: Stories depend on access to sources. If a government figure blackballs you, you lose all those lazy transcription stories. Will you defer them or stand your ground?
  5. Tabloid: Got a sex or sleaze angle? It doesn’t matter if the story has any consequence, or even harms public debate. Run it.
  6. Underdog/horse race: If you see an uneven competition, side with the loser, and try to make it a horse race by calling it neck-and-neck even when it’s not.

Some of these conflict with each other, but that’s how biases are. I’d say given these, and the types of stories the media’s been running for the past few decades, the major media tend to have a solidly conservative bias (disagree with Mrebo), one that often but not always aligns with the Democratic Party (agree with Mrebo). Media with more of a corporate (Wall Street Journal) or tabloid (Washington Times) lean will have an more pronounced conservative bias, and align more closely with the Republican Party.

But that was all before Trump. Now you’d have to go to something more like The Crusader to represent where Republican elected officials are today, and since the Democrats have also lurched right, they are probably now getting 50/50 favorable coverage from the WSJ.

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Maybe the Democrats at an elective level have lurched right, but their base of voters has most definitely moved left after 2016.

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Quite possibly. But if Democratic Party voters overwhelmingly support one position and their elected officials overwhelmingly support another, which is the position of the Democratic Party? I’d say the latter.

Meanwhile, the shithole deepens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trump-election-fraud-commission-bought-texas-election-data-flagging-hispanic-voters/2018/01/22/2791934a-fd55-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html?utm_term=.1355463b6141

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TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

They voted for a budget extension in exchange for a non-binding promise to just keep talking?

Ah, there’s the spineless Democratic Party I know!

I think it’s more of a matter of holding a finger to the wind and changing their position when it doesn’t seem to be popular. Same conclusion.

The New York Times and MSNBC were laying the blame pretty squarely at the Democrats’ feet, though.

Hey wait, I thought Mrebo proved that all media were just Democratic Party lapdogs though.

Maybe he just reads different articles. There’s lots of Op-Eds out there. Also, there was an infuriating amount of meaningless “Who will the voters blame?” articles, which leaned toward the Republicans without the media having to take a position at all.

Right. And I didn’t think I proved anything. I stated my observations that the media is generally biased against Republicans.

Well I was using a bit of everyone’s favorite thing called hyperbole, but you get my point. Which is that I disagree with yours.

Sometimes your use of hyperbole can be very annoying, and also sometimes it comes across as insulting.

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CatBus said:

Disagree. IMO media has lots of biases, and they all affect political coverage:

  1. Laziness: Analysis is hard, transcription is easy. Got a divisive topic? Call up representatives from both sides and repeat what they said. Even if one or both sides are provably lying, don’t call them out on it. Let the audience decide. The audience you’re helping them misinform.

in area is also if you are bias on side X of divisive topic, Get someone sane and very intelligent to argue side X and get a nutcase to argue side Y. The result of said debate will make side Y look wrong, stupid and insane and side X look right, intelligent, and sane.

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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Disagree. IMO media has lots of biases, and they all affect political coverage:

  1. Laziness: Analysis is hard, transcription is easy. Got a divisive topic? Call up representatives from both sides and repeat what they said. Even if one or both sides are provably lying, don’t call them out on it. Let the audience decide. The audience you’re helping them misinform.

in area is also if you are bias on side X of divisive topic, Get someone sane and very intelligent to argue side X and get a nutcase to argue side Y. The result of said debate will make side Y look wrong, stupid and insane and side X look right, intelligent, and sane.

People voted for side Y even though the person arguing for side Y was made to look wrong, stupid, and insane by a right, intelligent, and sane side X.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Disagree. IMO media has lots of biases, and they all affect political coverage:

  1. Laziness: Analysis is hard, transcription is easy. Got a divisive topic? Call up representatives from both sides and repeat what they said. Even if one or both sides are provably lying, don’t call them out on it. Let the audience decide. The audience you’re helping them misinform.

in area is also if you are bias on side X of divisive topic, Get someone sane and very intelligent to argue side X and get a nutcase to argue side Y. The result of said debate will make side Y look wrong, stupid and insane and side X look right, intelligent, and sane.

People voted for side Y even though the person arguing for side Y was made to look wrong, stupid, and insane by a right, intelligent, and sane side X.

True I suppose.

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My ass is biased in favor of emitting noxious fumes. People around me believe it is biased against the idea of breathable air.

In turn, my ass believes that these people have all ganged up on it in a vast conspiracy to unfairly curtail its freedom of expression. Furthermore, it has recently adopted the tactic of dismissing any atmospheric composition other than its own output as being fake.

I’m sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

In other news, butt soup.

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CatBus said:

Disagree. IMO media has lots of biases, and they all affect political coverage:

  1. Laziness: Analysis is hard, transcription is easy. Got a divisive topic? Call up representatives from both sides and repeat what they said. Even if one or both sides are provably lying, don’t call them out on it. Let the audience decide. The audience you’re helping them misinform.
  2. Corporate: Most media organizations are also big businesses. Why run a story that would destroy a major sponsor or shareholder, when you could bury it and live to report another day?
  3. Story: Stories are more interesting than lack of a story. So if something happens that turns out to be inconsequential, should you drop it, or should you spice it up and run it anyway?
  4. Access: Stories depend on access to sources. If a government figure blackballs you, you lose all those lazy transcription stories. Will you defer them or stand your ground?
  5. Tabloid: Got a sex or sleaze angle? It doesn’t matter if the story has any consequence, or even harms public debate. Run it.
  6. Underdog/horse race: If you see an uneven competition, side with the loser, and try to make it a horse race by calling it neck-and-neck even when it’s not.

Some of these conflict with each other, but that’s how biases are. I’d say given these, and the types of stories the media’s been running for the past few decades, the major media tend to have a solidly conservative bias (disagree with Mrebo), one that often but not always aligns with the Democratic Party (agree with Mrebo). Media with more of a corporate (Wall Street Journal) or tabloid (Washington Times) lean will have an more pronounced conservative bias, and align more closely with the Republican Party.

But that was all before Trump. Now you’d have to go to something more like The Crusader to represent where Republican elected officials are today, and since the Democrats have also lurched right, they are probably now getting 50/50 favorable coverage from the WSJ.

American politics occupies a limited part of the full ideological spectrum, but I’m not convinced the Democratic Party is not liberal. I think the media is somewhat more liberal than the Democratic Party.

Laziness is a major problem in journalism, especially when emoting passes for deep thought and earns a big audience.

Maybe we should be blaming the audience/electorate. The Democrats would be a more liberal party if the electorate were more liberal. And journalism would be more balanced and thoughtful if the viewers cared about that kind of thing. It’s a lot easier to flip the TV on than to get involved in politics.

The blue elephant in the room.

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According to my phone, the government shutdown is officially over.

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Warbler said:

According to my phone, the government shutdown is officially over.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

The Democrats would be a more liberal party if the electorate were more liberal.

IMO the positions of both parties have drifted right to attract donors, which are unfortunately worth quite a bit more than voters.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

They voted for a budget extension in exchange for a non-binding promise to just keep talking?

Ah, there’s the spineless Democratic Party I know!

I think it’s more of a matter of holding a finger to the wind and changing their position when it doesn’t seem to be popular. Same conclusion.

The New York Times and MSNBC were laying the blame pretty squarely at the Democrats’ feet, though.

Hey wait, I thought Mrebo proved that all media were just Democratic Party lapdogs though.

Maybe he just reads different articles. There’s lots of Op-Eds out there. Also, there was an infuriating amount of meaningless “Who will the voters blame?” articles, which leaned toward the Republicans without the media having to take a position at all.

Right. And I didn’t think I proved anything. I stated my observations that the media is generally biased against Republicans.

Well I was using a bit of everyone’s favorite thing called hyperbole, but you get my point. Which is that I disagree with yours.

Sometimes your use of hyperbole can be very annoying, and also sometimes it comes across as insulting.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

They voted for a budget extension in exchange for a non-binding promise to just keep talking?

Ah, there’s the spineless Democratic Party I know!

I think it’s more of a matter of holding a finger to the wind and changing their position when it doesn’t seem to be popular. Same conclusion.

The New York Times and MSNBC were laying the blame pretty squarely at the Democrats’ feet, though.

Hey wait, I thought Mrebo proved that all media were just Democratic Party lapdogs though.

Maybe he just reads different articles. There’s lots of Op-Eds out there. Also, there was an infuriating amount of meaningless “Who will the voters blame?” articles, which leaned toward the Republicans without the media having to take a position at all.

Right. And I didn’t think I proved anything. I stated my observations that the media is generally biased against Republicans.

Well I was using a bit of everyone’s favorite thing called hyperbole, but you get my point. Which is that I disagree with yours.

Sometimes your use of hyperbole can be very annoying, and also sometimes it comes across as insulting.

Ok, seriously what is with the Sanchez pics?

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

TV’s Frink said:

They voted for a budget extension in exchange for a non-binding promise to just keep talking?

Ah, there’s the spineless Democratic Party I know!

I think it’s more of a matter of holding a finger to the wind and changing their position when it doesn’t seem to be popular. Same conclusion.

The New York Times and MSNBC were laying the blame pretty squarely at the Democrats’ feet, though.

Hey wait, I thought Mrebo proved that all media were just Democratic Party lapdogs though.

Maybe he just reads different articles. There’s lots of Op-Eds out there. Also, there was an infuriating amount of meaningless “Who will the voters blame?” articles, which leaned toward the Republicans without the media having to take a position at all.

Right. And I didn’t think I proved anything. I stated my observations that the media is generally biased against Republicans.

Well I was using a bit of everyone’s favorite thing called hyperbole, but you get my point. Which is that I disagree with yours.

Sometimes your use of hyperbole can be very annoying, and also sometimes it comes across as insulting.

Ok, seriously what is with the Sanchez pics?

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Well that seems unnecessary, but I’ll give a try and let you know how it goes.

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TV’s Frink said:

Well that seems unnecessary, but I’ll give a try and let you know how it goes.

What seems unnecessarry is postings all the Sanchez pics(whom hasn’t been on the team for years) which was obviously done because you are annoyed with me and when I ask for an explanation, instead of explaining yourself you post another Sanchez pic.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Well that seems unnecessary, but I’ll give a try and let you know how it goes.

What seems unnecessarry is postings all the Sanchez pics(whom hasn’t been on the team for years) which was obviously done because you are annoyed with me and when I ask for an explanation, instead of explaining yourself you post another Sanchez pic.

I thought there was some rule about not posting image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion.

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Jay said:

  1. No image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion. Images may not contain nudity or graphic depictions of violence, death, etc.
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Jay said:

  • Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person. Respectful criticisms of debate style >(logical fallacies) are acceptable.
  • While there are no specific restrictions on profanity, please exercise restraint. Dropping an F-bomb here and there isn’t going to get you banned, but excessive profanity shouldn’t be necessary to make your point.

Not that I really care, just pointing out if you guys are gonna get all pissy about a couple of my Mark Sanchez posts, best be consistent at least.

I got a temp ban for basically telling someone else to go fuck off. I’m not asking for Warb to be banned but come on guys.

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chyron8472 said:

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Well gee I never saw this coming!

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I came here to read you guys bitching about politics, not about each other!

OT-DAWT-COM nieghbour and sometime poster (Remember, Tuesday is Soylent Green day!)

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TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Well gee I never saw this coming!

If you didn’t see it coming, maybe you should have. If you did see it coming, maybe you should have done something about it. You don’t exactly go out of your way to be polite to people.

And Warb swearing at you that once does not exhibit a pattern of behavior. You did not get a temp ban for just one incident. You were temp-banned because “attacking another member because something offended you personally […] became a pattern that has affected how other members discuss certain topics.”

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1146839

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.