Han - Solo Movie ** Spoilers ** — Page 58

I think Rogue One and Solo show an alternate view of the same things that were happening in A New Hope. There are key things that bring fans back to Star Wars, like TIE fighters, X-wings, the Falcon, stormtroopers, the Empire, things that remind us that we’re watching Star Wars and that’s what they keep giving us, only changing the characters around. They like to stay between Episode III and IV. Obi-wan stand-alone will pretty much be the same thing.

I think Solo will be good, not great, but make enough at the box office, if it’s good, it will go over a billion, but not by much. If it sucks around 500-600 million world wide, but I doubt that will happen to be honest. I’m thinking a billion more like it.

I don’t think that criticizing Rogue One for fan service is fair. It’s not as if it could get away without using X-Wings and TIE Fighters. It was set during that time period, so of course we’d see some familiar characters and designs. The only cameo I think was a bit too much was the cantina guys.

And I think the Han Solo movie will be the same, even though I think it might explore some different aspects of the galaxy regarding bounty hunters, gamblers and such things, with the Galactic Civil War not even being a present element in the movie, and the only familiar things be the characters and the Falcon.

We’ll see Jabba, Boba Fett, Tag and Bink, probably Greedo, the beginnings of the death star. There will be a lot of fan service in this, including some of the Han Solo lore we’ve heard about.

Tobar said:

I’ll take a Rodian in any of these new movies anyway I can!

Any way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcUCTdVw0_0

In the TPM, Greedo was just a kid in the deleted scenes. If he shows up, he’ll be around 30 years old, and he gets killed around 40. There has to be one scene of him in this film. I want Greedo to be jealous of Han Solo, maybe Han does something to impress Jabba and loses to Solo.

To me the mere presence of a familiar character or ship or whatever doesn’t really qualify as fan service, so long as their inclusion makes sense. Otherwise the existence of the movie(s) itself is fan service, which, yeah, I suppose so, but maybe the distinction here is good fan service vs. bad/misplaced fan service.

Bad/misplaced fan service would be of course a character or ship showing up that doesn’t make sense for the story or if there’s too many or they put too much undo emphasis on them like Evazan and Ponda Baba in RO. Like, if Boba Fett shows up, fine, we know he and Han run in the same circles. But the key is to make sure he’s only given as much importance as the film itself supports. I could imagine a scenario where he shows up and does something cool yet unimportant and vanishes like Hawkeye in the first Thor movie. That, to me, is bad fan service.

Darth Vader in RO comes dangerously close to this, honestly. All of his scenes are narratively dubious but at least it makes sense for him to be a part of that story. And, though some may disagree, I don’t think they prop his character up to be too much more than he actually is.

That’s the other fear with “fan service,” taking a character everyone loves and making sure they’re 110% cool and bad ass throughout (more so than the character actually is). They’ve done a very good job with this thus far, I won’t go into TLJ spoilers here but that film completely dodged the easy and obvious bad fan service bait with Luke Skywalker, which I’m very grateful for. They did the same with Han Solo in TFA (besides one very small moment), so for the most part I trust they’ll do his character justice here.

DominicCobb said:

To me the mere presence of a familiar character or ship or whatever doesn’t really qualify as fan service, so long as their inclusion makes sense. Otherwise the existence of the movie(s) itself is fan service, which, yeah, I suppose so, but maybe the distinction here is good fan service vs. bad/misplaced fan service.

Bad/misplaced fan service would be of course a character or ship showing up that doesn’t make sense for the story or if there’s too many or they put too much undo emphasis on them like Evazan and Ponda Baba in RO. Like, if Boba Fett shows up, fine, we know he and Han run in the same circles. But the key is to make sure he’s only given as much importance as the film itself supports. I could imagine a scenario where he shows up and does something cool yet unimportant and vanishes like Hawkeye in the first Thor movie. That, to me, is bad fan service.

Darth Vader in RO comes dangerously close to this, honestly. All of his scenes are narratively dubious but at least it makes sense for him to be a part of that story. And, though some may disagree, I don’t think they prop his character up to be too much more than he actually is.

That’s the other fear with “fan service,” taking a character everyone loves and making sure they’re 110% cool and bad ass throughout (more so than the character actually is). They’ve done a very good job with this thus far, I won’t go into TLJ spoilers here but that film completely dodged the easy and obvious bad fan service bait with Luke Skywalker, which I’m very grateful for. They did the same with Han Solo in TFA (besides one very small moment), so for the most part I trust they’ll do his character justice here.

I agree with this 100%. Upon rewatches, the Vader scenes in RO have been falling flat more and more. I hope we don’t have much of that in Solo.

The first scene in RO falls flat. The second scene remains fantastic.

Should have had the Emperor contact him and tell him to see to it personally, that he retrieve the secret plans.

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I think it would’ve been perfect for Vader’s one and only appearance in RO to have been him emerging from the shadows and mercilessly killing a dozen rebels.

Perfect other than being completely out of character. He never does that in the OT. He’s not a soldier, why risk his life that way? And why not do it five minutes later when they actually board the ship in ANH?

Just because he didn’t do it in the OT doesn’t make it “out of character.”

Also he clearly wasn’t risking his life. As was already mentioned, being in the dogfight at the end of ANH was far riskier.

And he was trying to stop them from escaping with the stolen data tapes. He failed. When they caught up again, his soldiers had already cleared things out so there was no need to do what he did in RO. So back to your first point, if his soldiers had failed on the Tantive, of course he would have done there what he did in RO.

CarboniteSolo said:

Should have had the Emperor contact him and tell him to see to it personally, that he retrieve the secret plans.

Unnecessary.

A lot of people are complaining about this movie and saying that it’s just going to be fan service.
Well,
“Fan Service”, (taking the phrase literally) is not a bad thing.

Films are corporate products. To sell a product, you must please your customers.
a.k.a. the fans.

Here I draw a contrast between Fan Service and “Fan Fiction (fan being singular here)”.
A franchise movie (a movie series that already has a set of fans) should be 100% fan service.

If not, in my opinion the director is wallowing into the territory of fan fiction. Fan fiction, as we all know, is one impassioned person creating a story THEY want, specifically tailored to them. A film where Han Solo fights for Galactic Free Trade, or where Han Solo time travels would be just someone’s weird, personal desires put into Star Wars. Would it be unexpected? Yes.

Some people think that unexpectedness is a virtue of the story. But it is not. As good authors would tell you, a good ending is ‘surprising but expected…and justified in-universe’. In other words, it should make you say ‘oh, that makes sense. it fits with this world and this story’.

In conclusion, I’m hoping this story is 100% fan service.

I enjoyed TFA because it was fan service. I did not really like TLJ because it was not.
I know some people were upset because TFA was so similar to other Star Wars movies, but I would not have expected any less of the movie.

People who wanted it to be different wanted it to be different because, to them, “Star Wars” was over (the original trilogy was over). Because they enjoyed the OT, they would have enjoyed a new set of films that were ‘inspired’ by the OT. But they did not want more Star Wars. Subconsciously, they would reject any addition to this OT as apocrypha.

So there are two types of people going into this movie (and any franchise movie, really):
1 Those who think Han’s story is complete, and will see any addition as apocrypha.
2 Those who are open to seeing more of the character Han Solo in the Star Wars universe
3 Non-fans (the General Audience (General Population))

The film Solo can only be two things:
FAN FICTION This will disappoint most of #1 because, as strange as it is, it still pretends to be Han Solo and they will reject it as apocrypha. It will disappoint almost all of #2. However, a very small minority of #2 might enjoy it as a film in its own right, just not as a Han Solo film. But this is not guaranteed. The GA might like it.

FAN SERVICE This will please all of #2, and none of #1. It will also please the GA, because it will be a movie that embraces its identity, and is strong in its genre, and that’s all they are really looking for in a movie.

(The previous post is just a philosophic mental exercise of mine I did to entertain myself 😉. Don’t take it too seriously!)

yhwx said:

You can never tell people here to not take things seriously.

Heh, this is a forum on the internet!