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The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit Ideas thread — Page 20

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NeverarGreat said:

I vote to have a significant time jump and focus on the new leads for an entire movie.

You’re forgetting Luke coming back as special-creepy-Force ghost 😄

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Have a new crawl and start the movie with Ben solo shooting the resistance ships and killing Leia then cut to luke and rey.

That way you can start the flim with a wtf opening.

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HerekittykittyX said:

Have a new crawl and start the movie with Ben solo shooting the resistance ships and killing Leia then cut to luke and rey.

That way you can start the flim with a wtf opening.

Eh, I prefer the more quiet opening of just Rey finding Luke. It’s different than other Star Wars films and just feels right. Then after the force tree conversation you cut to the First Order finding the Resistance.

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This is a crazy idea but what if the upcoming film with Boyega, Pacific Rim 2, could somehow be edited to change Finn’s story?

I mean I liked the madcap action of the Casino but imagine instead he, say, had to hijack a gigantic mech instead.

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darthrush said:

LivJackell said:

Yeah. I’m hoping JJ does something, but Kathleen already said Carrie won’t be in the film, so idk how they’ll satisfyingly close it out without her.

I vote to recast her and continue whatever story they see fit.

Oh my god no.

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It could work with any other franchise, but Star Wars…

it’s just something else. It wouldn’t work, and I seriously hope they don’t recast Princess Leia. You’re among the very few who believe this could work with another actress playing her character.

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Daxtreme said:

It could work with any other franchise, but Star Wars…

it’s just something else. It wouldn’t work, and I seriously hope they don’t recast Princess Leia. You’re among the very few who believe this could work with another actress playing her character.

I guess. I just find it shows more respect to Carrie to finish her character’s arc as they originally desired to. But I see where ya’ll are coming from for sure.

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darthrush said:

Daxtreme said:

It could work with any other franchise, but Star Wars…

it’s just something else. It wouldn’t work, and I seriously hope they don’t recast Princess Leia. You’re among the very few who believe this could work with another actress playing her character.

I guess. I just find it shows more respect to Carrie to finish her character’s arc as they originally desired to. But I see where ya’ll are coming from for sure.

It’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Do we put words in Carrie’s mouth and assume she’d be okay with recasting, or do we simply let go and kill her character offscreen?

Carrie was definitely the type of person who would say that the character belongs to the audience and that Leia shouldn’t have to die just because she is no longer with us. I suppose Billy Lourd and the rest of Carrie’s family should have the final say.

Or perhaps they have some/enough deleted footage from TLJ to composite her into Episode IX for a brief moment before giving that character an on screen death.

No matter what they do, I will respect their decision so long as Carrie’s family and estate gives their approval.

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Just ask George, he should be the one to give the final word.

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There’s 3 options for Leia:

  1. Die offscreen between movies.
  2. Recast/CGI.
  3. Find a way to relocate her character out of the main events.

1 is the most likely. 2 would cause massive fan backlash. 3 would be incredibly awkward to write and would break audience investment moreso than TLJ did at times. JJ could do that, though, he has a habit of just not explaining things and just moving past quickly. Star Trek was full of that.

So it depends on whether there’s a timeskip.

If no timeskip, then probably something like it begins with Leia’s funeral, which wouldn’t require much cgi or actor standins and would probably be respectful enough for the fandom. Something that parallels Padme’s funeral, maybe.

But If there’s a timeskip of like 5 years or something, they can dodge that altogether. I just whipped this up as an example:

[Resistance ship: Admiral POE DAMAERON is making a speech on a slightly raised dais in front of the crowd; he’s still the brash young pilot we know but now has years of maturity and leadership under his belt. He stands tall and gestures with confidence.]

Poe: …it’s not over yet. We’ve got to make this one last push, we have to honor the sacrifices of everyone who came before us. Han Solo proved there is always another way out. Luke Skywalker showed that this new “Supreme Leader” is a joke. And General Organa…Leia…she showed us there is always hope; there is ALWAYS hope. The fact that we are here, now, proves they will live forever, and as long as we remember them, the resistance will never die! Today we strike back, today is when we show the galaxy that there are still heroes, and they fight along side us! Today we BECOME the heroes!

[Crowd cheering, raising weapons, clapping, FINN and ROSE especially. As everyone goes to their stations, FINN climbs up to the dais to talk.]

Finn: Great speech, Admiral.

Poe: [smiles] You don’t have to call me that.

Finn: Names are important, but so are accomplishments. [Looks over the bridge from their elevated angle] They all believe in you.

Poe: …I believe in everyone. We’re going to win this.

Finn: Yeah…we are. [Smiles with assurance from Poe’s leadership.] See you out there, Admiral. [Shakes hand and then heads off the bridge.]

[POE pauses, then heads into his cabin off to the side.]

[POE’s cabin: very sparse. He is sitting and talking to someone off-camera. Body language is completely different; he is slumped over, unsure, hunched over.]

Poe: Are we really going to win? Is this how you would have done it? What would you say to me right now? [Pause] Probably something about how stupid and reckless this plan was, but that I would do it anyways. [Chuckles sadly.] Sometimes I worry if victory is really worth the price. What hope is there when there’s nothing to hope FOR? Is it worth winning if you have to lose everything?

[Camera pan: He’s talking to a small white shrine, a few rocks, a small plant, a holographic picture of Leia, similar to those in Padme’s house, is there, smiling. It is the total opposite of KYLO’s shrine for VADER’s helmet, whereas that was black ashes, this has white salt from CRAIT.]

Poe: But I guess you kept going, even when you lost everything, didn’t you. That’s really what you taught me, why you entrusted this to me. It’s only been a few years but I always wondered why, why me. Did you question yourself like this? [Pause.] You did…that’s IS why, isn’t it; that’s why you trusted me, because I was willing to question myself but still keep fighting and finding a way out of things. Even when there was no hope back on Crait, you let my hope guide everyone. I regret not having the chance to thank you for that; losing you so soon after still hurts to this very day. [Tears up slightly, but regains composure and stands up in front of her.] But now I can thank you properly. Today will be our victory, to show that hope lives forever.

[He salutes her small grave.]

This is for you, Admiral Leia Organa.

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New to the forum so hello to all.

Had some thoughts on mixing together the force awakens and the last jedi into one film.

Remove some of the clutter (scenes that have cheesy jokes, filler scenes, pointless sub plots etc) from both and try and change the tone of it too with the editing to make it a bit more darker and emotional. I was thinking to centre it around luke since he of course dies but also have rey and kylo’s relationship play a big part of the movie too. Probably remove most of the phasma, finn, rose, hux stuff.

Rough layout of the idea would probably be cutting out the clutter of force awakens so the first rey and kylo forest fight/han’s death would be in the middle of the edit with the luke cliffhanger doing straight into the last jedi half of the edit, remove the clutter from that, and depending on what deleted scenes we get add those in too if it fits with this idea. This all would make it into probably a 2.5/3hr cut, kind of like batman vs superman ulitmate edition (which i was a huge fan of). Some other ideas I have for restructuring this, it would be cool to try and mix together all the luke jedi school flashbacks with the knights of ren flashbacks to create a dramatic opening for the beginning of this edit which would then lead into kylo finding lor san tekka and carry on with the force awakens half of the edit. Would probably try and cut down the resistance/first order story down a bit too since that would drag out this edit idea of being more jedi based than resistance/first order based like the actual films are.

If you guys have any suggestions on this idea I would love to hear them. I think this could be a awesome idea if I or anyone else can do it correctly and hopefully make up the new trilogy (so far) for not being that great (imo).

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Is there a way to edit it instead of commander holdo its Leia Doing the lightspeed scene.

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HerekittykittyX said:

Is there a way to edit it instead of commander holdo its Leia Doing the lightspeed scene.

Perhaps. It is much easier to edit Luke being the one to do it. You just repurpose the shots of him contacting Leia through the force and instead you intercut those shots with the ship turning and the First Order freaking out.

Leia on the other hand, I don’t know.

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darthrush said:

After rejecting it for a while, I honestly think an 3 hour epic cut of both films could be cool. I will still just be sticking to doing a regular last jedi edit but am looking forward to the 2 in 1’s that will be done.

They have such different visual aesthetics, and I don’t know if that would take me out of the whole experience.

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NeverarGreat said:

darthrush said:

After rejecting it for a while, I honestly think an 3 hour epic cut of both films could be cool. I will still just be sticking to doing a regular last jedi edit but am looking forward to the 2 in 1’s that will be done.

They have such different visual aesthetics, and I don’t know if that would take me out of the whole experience.

Yes. The first shot of Luke in TLJ was there to establish “this is a different film”. That’s my greatest concern.

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NeverarGreat said:

darthrush said:

After rejecting it for a while, I honestly think an 3 hour epic cut of both films could be cool. I will still just be sticking to doing a regular last jedi edit but am looking forward to the 2 in 1’s that will be done.

They have such different visual aesthetics, and I don’t know if that would take me out of the whole experience.

Yes, although I will say the camerawork was a lot more similar than I was expecting.

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  1. Find a way to relocate her character out of the main events.

Hopefully, Lucasfilms won’t see this (or else they may not use it), but an idea could be to have Leia go to Ach-tu (or another planet with a Jedi temple) to connect with the spirits in an effort to make peace with her father and learn from him and Luke on how to become one with the Force. It could be explained in the opening crawl for episode 9 or a line of dialogue from one of the other characters.

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darthrush said:

HerekittykittyX said:

Is there a way to edit it instead of commander holdo its Leia Doing the lightspeed scene.

Perhaps. It is much easier to edit Luke being the one to do it. You just repurpose the shots of him contacting Leia through the force and instead you intercut those shots with the ship turning and the First Order freaking out.

Leia on the other hand, I don’t know.

That would be so sick. Luke decides to help earlier or senses Leia in danger or something and wipes out the First Order fleet. I would use the part with him straining in meditation from the projection scene, but that does create a continuity issue with his projection and actual death. Maybe do Crait at the beginning like some are suggesting, then have Luke sacrifice himself destroying the fleet. This also explains why no one has done a hyperspace ram before; part of it involves the Force.

Probably the thing I hate most about the movie is its smug contempt for the audience. "What did you think, I was going to face down the whole First Order myself with a laser sword?"
Yes please! Why is that idea so offensive, to have Luke Skywalker be the hero we know and love?
Yoda flipping around with a lightsaber is one thing, because the whole point of his character is that he’s physically limited but wise and strong in the Force. Luke, on the other hand, is a classical hero that performs mighty feats. It makes sense that an older Luke would be more advanced with the Force and use misdirection rather than straight violence, but at the point of the movie where he decides to help the Resistance, it would be so much more satisfying for him to do some actual honest-to-goodness damage.

For what it’s worth, my “headcanon” or speculation about why Luke exiled himself at the end of TFA -
Due to secrets learned through his studies and travels, Luke has become godlike in his own power, and is afraid to use it directly in vulgar destruction for fear of falling to the dark side. He is concerned that his sorrow/anger for Ben and his hatred of Snoke would overcome him and he wouldn’t be able to stop himself from just taking control of everything. He retires to Ach-To to detach himself from the physical world and remove the temptation. The death of Han only makes things worse and adds a further complication.
Rey convinces him to help because of his love for Leia, his friends, and the galaxy. (If you want to do the moral of “focus on what you love, not what you hate,” I think this is a much better way to do it.) Like at the end of Return of the Jedi but at a more cosmic scale, he finds peace within himself and no longer acts in anger.

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Hmm not bad, but the problem though is that Luke knows Rey is on board…

And then he rams the ship anyway?

The point in the theatrical is that Holdo just rams the ship not knowing that many Resistance members including Rey are inside.

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Interesting to see the varied opinions on Leia’s ‘Force swoop’ scene on the previous page.

Although it happens to be a sequence I’d prefer to EXCLUDE from my own cutlist, I think I know how it could be made to work a bit better overall in it’s existing form - After I initially thought we’d seen a sad end for Leia when she was sucked out of the bridge by the explosion (which turned out to be merely a ‘misdirection’)…we then moved onto a scene of 'Kylo being told to return by Hux’s hologram…and then moved onto ANOTHER scene which involved ‘Hux on his bridge’…BEFORE we reverted back to seeing Leia floating away from her ship, and then reviving, and then doing her ‘Force swoop’ back to the ship.

Ignoring the manner in which her ‘Force power’ was visualised in the first place, I think it’s the fact that we were DISTRACTED AWAY FOR SO LONG from her being sucked out into space, which made her ‘revitalised’ appearance seem somewhat ‘jarring’ - She’d been out in the coldness of space for quite a while by this point, and because we were shown TWO different sequences before we returned to her ‘revival’, I think that made it seem a little belated.

So I reckon that Leia’s ‘Force power’ sequence would have worked a bit better if there had only been ONE scene shown before we returned to her ‘survival’ moment - the ‘Kylo being told to return by Hux’s hologram’ one…WITHOUT involving the second scene of ‘Hux on his bridge’ beforehand too, so that we weren’t taken away from what was happening with Leia for SO LONG.

Just a thought for anyone wishing to keep the ‘Force swoop’ in their own cutlist, as it should be easy enough to move 'Hux’s second scene to somewhere else afterwards instead.

In fact, the MAIN thing I’m interested to see in J.J.'s next chapter, is how he’ll handle Leia’s character going forward - I sure hope that rumour I recently read of Meryl Streep being considered for the role, was wrong…! 😦

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TV’s Frink said:

chigz said:

pointless sub plots

There aren’t any of those.

To each his own but maybe pointless was the wrong word but subplots like the phasma/finn story, finn/rose story including canto bight, crait, love triangle stuff, tension/story between holdo/poe, hux sucking up to snoke/trying to one up kylo all the time would be minimised etc to keep the dark/suspenseful tone im hoping for. Things like that, that don’t really add to the story of this edit but might have in the individual films for some people but regardless, some of these points for me atleast seemed a waste of time that could’ve been used in different/new scenes to add more depth to the last jedi. For me the last jedi last a good opportunity to really explore jedi lore/luke’s time on ahch-to with the jedi school, kylo turning etc. They had the flashbacks with luke and kylo but they were minimal. A longer look at luke training to about to kill kylo to knights of ren destroying the place wouldve been amazing but JJ might include those in ep9 but for the next 2 years this edit could be good for the time being and once ep9 drops and how that story is, i might add on ep9 in a super cut of this edit.