ok, I give up. think whatever you want. I can’t continue to argue against so many. I’m done.
For what it’s worth mate, I agree with you. Force ghosts in the OT were basically guides. Now they can interact with the physical world.
It makes perfect sense for the viewer to wonder why the hell they didn’t exploit this ability 3 movies ago.
What about this interpretation: Yoda didn’t control anything. The lightning would have struck the tree no matter what. Yoda is one with the Force, so he was able to forsee it. He used this knowledge to act as if he conjured the lightning, just to prank Luke.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
A non-corporeal being made out of energy manipulated energy already present in a growing electrical storm to cause a lighting strike. Is that so hard to figure out? Probably really easy on an island already dripping in Force energy to begin with.
Also, Yoda has had thirty years to learn some new tricks. He’s got lots of time on his hands.
Where were you in '77?
All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.
Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.
Val
Which one of us gets the gold medal and the Wheaties cereal box contract then? 😛
I see Yoda as always having had a mischievous side he had to keep in check being a proper Jedi master. He doesn’t have to be super serious all the time anymore. Being dead for 30 years is probably liberating. He could also be laughing because he knows the books aren’t even in the tree? Perhaps Frank Oz will chime in one of these days about it. He’s been fairly protective of Yoda.
And I think when the Yoda puppet is eventually seen in behind the scenes photos, it will become clear it’s the lighting that makes him look odd in certain shots.
Where were you in '77?
I don’t really think Yoda acted all that crazy aside from that shot where he kicks his legs around. He was treated much better here than in the prequels (does that even need to be said?) and it’s the first time in a long time I had a genuine smile on my face in the theater.
I don’t really think Yoda acted all that crazy aside from that shot where he kicks his legs around. He was treated much better here than in the prequels (does that even need to be said?) and it’s the first time in a long time I had a genuine smile on my face in the theater.
Amen to that!
All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.
Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.
Val
Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.
And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?
I don’t really think Yoda acted all that crazy aside from that shot where he kicks his legs around. He was treated much better here than in the prequels (does that even need to be said?)
Sadly, it does.
#pigmenneverforget
Val if you truly feel people are still harassing and attacking you, you should probably just report it. I don’t think it will get you far, since I don’t see it in the slightest, but that’s probably more likely to do something than just complaining about it here.
I did not say anyone was attacking me, but the fact that you and Dominic have to chime in with off topic jabs after each time I post something new in discussing what I don’t like about the movie is starting to wear a bit thin and I do feel harassed so please stop it.
Not only are you taking pot shots at me simply for posting my particular opinion on the movie, they are generally off topic or really only serve to belittle my opinion and usually generate a page or two of other members then following up with further off topic comments. What it leads to is a burying of the discussion I am trying to have on the matter which is not appreciated, especially seeing that I don’t to it to you or other people commenting positively on the movie, instead trying to reasonably relay why I may not agree on a particular view or point being made.
Val
As I said before, feel free to report it.
I will and I have, though not for any of yours currently. I feel you’re the more reasonable out of the two of you and would rather try and settle it via talk. Not going to bother with Dom though, despite asking him to reign it in
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Which one of us gets the gold medal and the Wheaties cereal box contract then? 😛
I see Yoda as always having had a mischievous side he had to keep in check being a proper Jedi master. He doesn’t have to be super serious all the time anymore. Being dead for 30 years is probably liberating. He could also be laughing because he knows the books aren’t even in the tree? Perhaps Frank Oz will chime in one of these days about it. He’s been fairly protective of Yoda.
And I think when the Yoda puppet is eventually seen in behind the scenes photos, it will become clear it’s the lighting that makes him look odd in certain shots.
I think he looks younger. I think it is a lead in to Ewan or Hayden making an appearance as Obi-wan or Anakin. definitely a better puppet than that horror in TPM.
And if the force is part of nature and Yoda is a force ghost, why should he not be able to affect things? That makes no logical sense with what we know of the force. Yoda triggering a lightning bolt to hit the tree seems like a very natural offshoot of his explanation of the force in TESB. I’m with Silverwook. I had no problems with it.
All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.
Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.
Val
Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.
I think him being on the Jedi Council and having the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders accounts for that. But in the scene with the younglings in ATOC, he did seem more jovial and more like the TESB and ROTJ Yoda.
And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?
Obi-wan sat, brushed bushes, and acted substantial though he was very transparent. There was nothing there to indicate that they couldn’t connect to the force and do things. They didn’t. But it was never established that they couldn’t.
It struck me that the reason Yoda could call the force lightening was due to the fact he was on Achto which was a site highly connected with the force? But ultimately I think that small bridges between planes could create an interesting but subtle dynamic for Luke in the next film. As long as it is always small and inconsequential I’m fine with it.
I don’t really think Yoda acted all that crazy aside from that shot where he kicks his legs around. He was treated much better here than in the prequels (does that even need to be said?)
Sadly, it does.
#pigmenneverforget
It’s a low bar so I don’t know that the saying accomplishes much. adywan said the PT totally rid Yoda of his jovial side. yotsuya points out that isn’t true. We can debate whether Yoda was “joking around” on his death bed, that would be fun.
Yoda was noticeably more loosely goosey in TLJ. Not atrociously so, but it’s pretty obvious. There is probably less reason to be so serious when you’re dead.
It looks to me that this puppet is more smiley and the head a bit squashed. The ghost effect wasn’t very well done. Other than that, I enjoyed the scene.
The blue elephant in the room.
When Luke told Kylo, See you around, kid. he meant it.
What are we to make of the fact Rey and Kylo are still have the mental link even though Snoke was enabling it and is mostly dead now?
Where were you in '77?
When Luke told Kylo, See you around, kid. he meant it.
What are we to make of the fact Rey and Kylo are still have the mental link even though Snoke was enabling it and is mostly dead now?
I hope that was a Princess Bride reference.
The blue elephant in the room.
When Luke told Kylo, See you around, kid. he meant it.
What are we to make of the fact Rey and Kylo are still have the mental link even though Snoke was enabling it and is mostly dead now?
Exactly.
Several opinions i hold, until we finally get an explanation (assuming it gets flushed out more in IX)
Kylo remarked such an effort would be fatal to Rey if she was doing it herself, which should have given him a clue someone else was doing it.
Where were you in '77?
When Luke told Kylo, See you around, kid. he meant it.
What are we to make of the fact Rey and Kylo are still have the mental link even though Snoke was enabling it and is mostly dead now?
I hope that was a Princess Bride reference.
Only the author of the TLJ Visual Dictionary knows for sure. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Do they still have the connection?
Do they still have the connection?
i’m gonna say Yes, maybe, probably not, but its possible.
That’d be pretty interesting to see.
Do they still have the connection?
They appear to be looking directly at each other when Kylo is in the deserted base and Rey is about to close the Falcon’s hatch.
Where were you in '77?
Do they still have the connection?
They appear to be looking directly at each other when Kylo is in the deserted base and Rey is about to close the Falcon’s hatch.
Maybe they were just sensing each other. Vader and Ben had no connection in ANH, and yet…
Double post.