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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 103

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AveKender said:

Personally I think all of the storytelling problems in the ST come from the First Order. The enemy should have been a legion of extragalactic invaders.

The old Marvel comic actually resorted to that in the lean post ROTJ years. The Rebellion and the remnants of the Empire had to join forces to save the Galaxy.

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Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

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ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian

Interesting fact #2:

Lando is not actually a real person. :p

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ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

source?

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dahmage said:

ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

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https://theplaylist.net/star-wars-lando-calrissian-absence-20171219/

"Of course I’d love to see Lando,” Johnson said. “In terms of Lando, I briefly considered — would he work in the Benicio [del Toro] part, [DJ].” If you’ve seen the movie you know DJ is the morally ambiguous hacker/codebreaker who helps and betrays Finn and Rose within the span of a few hours, helping them escape prison on Canto Bight, but then selling them out to the Imperial First Order forces when the first opportunity presents itself.

“I don’t think you would ever buy that Lando would just completely betray the characters like that and have that level of moral ambiguity,” Johnson explained. “Cause we love Lando and you’d come into it with that [expectation]. And also, DJ, the character that they met, for the purposes of Finn’s character, had to be a morally ambiguous character that you’re not sure about, that you’re guessing about, and we already know that we love the character of Lando so it just wouldn’t have played in that part story wise.”

“You have to write organically,” Johnson said. “Otherwise it leads to contrived places. Which is just to say it’s all about the needs of the story and there’s only so much room on the table for… favorite characters to be in the movie.”

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

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chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

source?

https://theplaylist.net/star-wars-lando-calrissian-absence-20171219/

"Of course I’d love to see Lando,” Johnson said. “In terms of Lando, I briefly considered — would he work in the Benicio [del Toro] part, [DJ].” If you’ve seen the movie you know DJ is the morally ambiguous hacker/codebreaker who helps and betrays Finn and Rose within the span of a few hours, helping them escape prison on Canto Bight, but then selling them out to the Imperial First Order forces when the first opportunity presents itself.

“I don’t think you would ever buy that Lando would just completely betray the characters like that and have that level of moral ambiguity,” Johnson explained. “Cause we love Lando and you’d come into it with that [expectation]. And also, DJ, the character that they met, for the purposes of Finn’s character, had to be a morally ambiguous character that you’re not sure about, that you’re guessing about, and we already know that we love the character of Lando so it just wouldn’t have played in that part story wise.”

“You have to write organically,” Johnson said. “Otherwise it leads to contrived places. Which is just to say it’s all about the needs of the story and there’s only so much room on the table for… favorite characters to be in the movie.”

Nice to see they treated lando better than luke

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flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

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flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

There’s a difference between piloting a speeder and an aircraft. A speeder is more like a car, while an aircraft is like an aircraft. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that Finn knew how to operate speeders (in fact he does so in one of the TFA deleted scenes).

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Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

Plus even if they did have a plan, it clearly did nothing. All it did was kill a bunch of people (slimming the rebellion down still).

Ah 77, my favourite year even if i wasn’t alive

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Zak fett said:

Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

Plus even if they did have a plan, it clearly did nothing. All it did was kill a bunch of people (slimming the rebellion down still).

But it looked cool as hell!

Anyhow it would have been nice if there was a point to it that was clear in the movie.

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DominicCobb said:
There’s a difference between piloting a speeder and an aircraft. A speeder is more like a car, while an aircraft is like an aircraft. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that Finn knew how to operate speeders (in fact he does so in one of the TFA deleted scenes).

Right, his training included hovercrafts and melee combat but not ships and turrets.

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chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian, but RJ decided that Lando wouldn’t outright betray the heroes.

source?

https://theplaylist.net/star-wars-lando-calrissian-absence-20171219/

"Of course I’d love to see Lando,” Johnson said. “In terms of Lando, I briefly considered — would he work in the Benicio [del Toro] part, [DJ].” If you’ve seen the movie you know DJ is the morally ambiguous hacker/codebreaker who helps and betrays Finn and Rose within the span of a few hours, helping them escape prison on Canto Bight, but then selling them out to the Imperial First Order forces when the first opportunity presents itself.

“I don’t think you would ever buy that Lando would just completely betray the characters like that and have that level of moral ambiguity,” Johnson explained. “Cause we love Lando and you’d come into it with that [expectation]. And also, DJ, the character that they met, for the purposes of Finn’s character, had to be a morally ambiguous character that you’re not sure about, that you’re guessing about, and we already know that we love the character of Lando so it just wouldn’t have played in that part story wise.”

“You have to write organically,” Johnson said. “Otherwise it leads to contrived places. Which is just to say it’s all about the needs of the story and there’s only so much room on the table for… favorite characters to be in the movie.”

thanks. so no, he wasn’t “going to be played by”, more like, there was some thought of trying to make lando fit in. very different levels of ‘almost happened’.

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Concept art of the casino level.

Marginally related. Feel free to ignore the top part, it’s not really the point of the post.

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TV’s Frink said:

ElectroDroid said:

Interesting fact:

The DJ character was going to be played by Lando Calrissian

Interesting fact #2:

Lando is not actually a real person. :p

I think you have it confused. He is a person, not a system.

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DominicCobb said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

There’s a difference between piloting a speeder and an aircraft. A speeder is more like a car, while an aircraft is like an aircraft. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that Finn knew how to operate speeders (in fact he does so in one of the TFA deleted scenes).

Hmm… I can see that argument, but I didn’t get the impression that the Sandskimmer had more in common with a speeder than with an aircraft. That said, the sand skimmers were in such a dilapidated state that it’s hard to say for sure if they’re aircraft like the snowspeeders from Empire, or just hoverspeeders.

Still, it’s a nitpick, not an actual flaw of the movie.

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Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

How is that on Rose? It was Poe who called off the attack. Finn ignored the order and Rose went after him.

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joefavs said:

Porkins4real said:

flametitan said:

This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.

Very true. Frankly, I was more confused but what the plan was. They had no weapons that could be of any effect, so was it a Kamakazi run? If so then Rose is a total douche for letting everyone but her and Fin die before deciding it was a bad idea.

How is that on Rose? It was Poe who called off the attack. Finn ignored the order and Rose went after him.

I think he’s talking about how she prevented Finn from suiciding therefore dooming all the other rebels except for her and Finn.

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Poe still gave the order, though. Even if it was supposed to be a kamikaze run, the plan was off by that point.

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Poe still gave the order, though. Even if it was supposed to be a kamikaze run, the plan was off by that point.

It wasn’t supposed to be a kamikaze run. Finn was the one who decided to go for a kamikaze run against Poe’s orders (after Poe ordered the retreat), so that he could save everyone. But Rose stopped that, theoretically dooming all of the rebels except for her and Finn.

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I’m reasonably sure the FO has more than one of those guns.

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Yeah, but did they bring it with them?

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Jeebus said:

Concept art of the casino level.

Marginally related. Feel free to ignore the top part, it’s not really the point of the post.

There seemed to be a distinct lack of previously seen aliens in the casino. Were there any familiar species at all? Not having the Hutts running the place seems like a missed opportunity. Business is probably good for them with the current state of the galaxy.

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