TV’s Frink said:
Porkins4real said:
Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.
Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.
sounds like the same dude to me.
I love these cherry-picked arguments, where you completely ignore the fact that ROTJ Luke tried to kill the emperor despite knowing he shouldn’t.
And the “MAY turn to the dark side thing” is your misinterpretation, because that’s not what Luke says in the movie to Rey. It’s quite clear the way Luke tells the story that Ben WILL turn to the darkside (if he hadn’t already).
The way I took what Luke said is that Ben Solo was already so full of the dark side that he was basically fallen already. Unfortunately for Luke, his momentary bad judgement seems to have been the final catalyst for the final turn.
Or was it. There have been a few things I have been mulling over in my mind. One of them is the destiny of the force users (I am not using Jedi or Sith because neither of those groups really exist any longer). Enough people had a theory about the Force that I understand GL tried to debunk. That Anakin was the chosen one and to bring balance to the force the Jedi and Sith had to end. The Jedi were wiped out by Palpatine and Vader, and Anakin finished the job by returning to the light and killing Palpatine and Palpatine killed him (or Palpatine had been keeping him alive and with his death Anakin was doomed to die … one theory anyway). Some have also though of the Force in terms of ying/yang with the dark and the light being two sides of a whole that were split artificially leading to a slanted Jedi and the Sith. Well, I recall GL saying absolutely not to something in the above, but you never know with him. He also said he would never do 7, 8, and 9 after the PT and here we are. He did the first treatment of it. I don’t know how much of what we are seeing is his idea for the ST, but we know that Luke in exile is from him.
But the dialog in TLJ and other little hints leads me to believe that the fate of Kylo and Rey are intertwined. Why has Kylo always been so torn. Why can he not shut down the light side and make a complete transition to the dark. Why was Rey not afraid in the cave - something that Luke said was the Dark Side. And then Rose and her sister having ying/yang pendants. I think the error that resulted in the Jedi vs. the Sith set the force out of balance and to fix it, the Jedi and Sith had to go and need to be replaced with a single order that neither fears the light nor the dark. The visions that Rey and Kylo had while connected show conflicting yet complimentary visions of the future. Now those visions may have just been referring to the way TLJ ended with both of them fighting back to back, but it could also refer to something further in the future. And rather than Kylo turning Rey or Rey turning Kylo, if the yin/yang theory holds, they will find a middle ground and both take up the same new path into the future. We lost both Snoke and Luke, the last great force powers of the previous generation and are left with Kylo and Rey, the great force powers of the next generation.
Just a theory, but one that makes sense and leads to a potentially satisfactory ending with a Skywalker on the right side at the end. It would end with a new Jedi order that would be balanced and be able to teach students how to tap, but not fall, into the dark side. Like Luke did in ROTJ. Luke’s grayness in ROTJ is the path I see that this should go and Luke misread the darkness he saw in Ben Solo. But I’ve been wrong before.