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They might care that their new boss could not kill the legendary Luke Skywalker. Is he even fit to lead them now?

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Where were you in '77?

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Valheru_84 said:

Zak fett said:

SilverWook said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

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Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

The thing is, who else was there to witness Jake’s actions? No one except the FO and the remaining 20 or so reliance / rebel fighters left at the end. Who is going to listen to and believe them when no one took heed in TFA when they were thousands strong and trying to warn of an imminent threat to the entire New Republic who were only there in the first place because of the efforts of Leia, Han, Luke and the rebellion? If no one came to their aid then or after the destruction of those 5 planets OR after they broadcast a call for help near the end of TLJ in the aftermath of what the FO clearly represent for the future of the Galaxy, who the hell are going to help them in IX when they are a handful of rugged people on a single small ship?

.Val

The scuttlebutt about what Luke did is going to spread through the ranks of the FO like wildfire.
Jake who? 😉

So from here ren probably knows that luke is dead so that just gives The FO and advantage because Han is dead,Luke is dead and Rey is untrained.Unless the rebellion have a plan of where to go, they don’t appear to have a chance.

I get exactly what you mean except the fact that Rey is untrained bears little logical weight in Disney’s SW as to the chances of the Rebels somehow coming out of top of the FO. If anything, they are entirely leaning and relying on Rey to get them out of this predicament and completely turns things around. In a little under a 2-3 weeks Rey has gone from a scrap collector to the best chance of the newly re-formed gang of 20 rebels and somehow it seems the only possibility the next film has to take the story forward.

Yeah but I now recall from reading above that rey did seem to have the original Jedi text in the falcon so that could be her trainer?

Ah 77, my favourite year even if i wasn’t alive

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Valheru_84 said:

SilverWook said:

So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

I vaguely recall a scene of her closing a drawer I think aboard the Falcon with I think books or paper of some sort inside though I didn’t take particular notice of the drawer contents. I do understand though that this is the shot you speak of and do remember it to an extent.

I’d hardly call them instruction manuals though. As I understood it, they were at most dogmatic preachings, stories and histories of the first Jedis, not a step by step instruction manual on how to master the force.

Plus Yoda says “there’s nothing in the books that the girl rey doesn’t already know”.

Ah 77, my favourite year even if i wasn’t alive

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Zak fett said:

Valheru_84 said:

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So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

I vaguely recall a scene of her closing a drawer I think aboard the Falcon with I think books or paper of some sort inside though I didn’t take particular notice of the drawer contents. I do understand though that this is the shot you speak of and do remember it to an extent.

I’d hardly call them instruction manuals though. As I understood it, they were at most dogmatic preachings, stories and histories of the first Jedis, not a step by step instruction manual on how to master the force.

Plus Yoda says “there’s nothing in the books that the girl rey doesn’t already know”.

Which means she can then learn nothing from the books, yet clearly she is still untrained in the conventional sense and as expected in the SW universe. These new movies simply expect you to take it as they show you and not question anything or relate it to what you already know from the OT. It’s actually one of the messages in TLJ - don’t question what you’re told Poe, just do as you’re instructed and blindly trust the new leader (ie. Disney).

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And to those that say that part of the backlash against TLJ has nothing to do with racist/ misogynistic/hompophobic feelings in the SW community, you only have to see this one post on facebook and read the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682570385096504&set=gm.531837527203014&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And that is just ONE post. I’m seeing shit like this all the time. It’s starting to flood the net now. My Youtube channel got spammed with this type of crap and its all over facebook. Comments galore about how Kennedy is pushing a female agenda and making all the males into pussys, pushing forced diversity just for the Asian market, that they didn’t need all this shit in the OT and the prequels did a proper job at showing what the races really are like, how Rey should have been a guy and it would have made her being so powerful believable because women are weaker than men, and it goes on, but there is so much that i would never repeat.

Yes, its fine that people don’t like this movie, but you cannot deny that a large section think they are on a crusade against anything that isn’t white powerful and male. It’s gotten a lot worse since a certain person was elected as now they think their beliefs are accepted. It just makes me sick what the fandom has become.

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

Rebellions require organisation, a base of operations, personel, extensive training, equipment, and financial resources to support all of the previous. Boys with brooms ain’t gonna cut it. That’s an other thing TLJ threw out of the window, a sense of realism in conflicts, and a sense of scale and time. The FO almost instanteneously wiped out the New Republic at the start of FO, and now the Rebellion has to be rebuild from scratch, much like at the end of ROTS. It took the Alliance two decades to build their organisation between the PT and the OT, but I’m sure by episode IX there will be a full fledged Rebel Alliance ready to resume control of the galaxy, where if the film adhered to previous Star Wars continuity, Rey should be looking for the next new hope.

This conversation is literally going in circles.

So here’s what I said a few posts ago:

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

For one the idea that Luke inspired a significant number of star systems to rise up against the FO is an assumption. Most star systems are probably too afraid to act, or even be associated with the Resistance. Inspiration isn’t going to protect them from the FO’s acts of retalliation, should they discover a star system is supporting the Reistance. Luke’s bold gesture may ahve inspired children, but in the grand scheme of things, it has achieved nothing of military value. The FO is as strong as ever, and will be consolidating their power, while the Resistance is decimated to the point, that they have no personal, funds, and equipment.

Secondly, even if several systems were inspired, they can’t openly support the new rebellion. Just like after the rise of the Empire a rebellion will have to be organized out of whole cloth. From the ROTS book and deleted scenes, we know that the first seeds of rebellion were sown the moment Palpatine introduced his new Empire. These were some powerful and influencial people, backed by some powerful and influential systems, but it took them twenty years to fully form the Alliance, and to become a significant threat to the Empire’s power structure. Like I said, if ep. IX adheres to Star Wars continuity (which it won’t), it would take up to two decades to reform a full fledged Alliance, in which case Rey would not be the next Luke, but the next Obi-Wan.

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adywan said:

And to those that say that part of the backlash against TLJ has nothing to do with racist/ misogynistic/hompophobic feelings in the SW community, you only have to see this one post on facebook and read the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682570385096504&set=gm.531837527203014&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And that is just ONE post. I’m seeing shit like this all the time. It’s starting to flood the net now. My Youtube channel got spammed with this type of crap and its all over facebook. Comments galore about how Kennedy is pushing a female agenda and making all the males into pussys, pushing forced diversity just for the Asian market, that they didn’t need all this shit in the OT and the prequels did a proper job at showing what the races really are like, how Rey should have been a guy and it would have made her being so powerful believable because women are weaker than men, and it goes on, but there is so much that i would never repeat.

Yes, its fine that people don’t like this movie, but you cannot deny that a large section think they are on a crusade against anything that isn’t white powerful and male. It’s gotten a lot worse since a certain person was elected as now they think their beliefs are accepted. It just makes me sick what the fandom has become.

I definitely don’t deny that such a demographic exists and it makes it a mine field to navigate if such issues do actually exist in a movie and you want to try and discuss them without being labelled and lobbed into that group. There is definitely no place for racist, misogynistic or homophobic comments in discussion about TLJ and the idea that Rey should have been male is just ridiculous. As with the selection of any future SW movie directors or actors for a role, gender should not ever come into the equation but simply be the best person for the job regardless of gender unless the character itself calls for a specific gender. In the case of Rey, it could have been written for either gender or easily adjusted as required depending on who won the role.

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Ryan said:

One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.

Return of the Jedi= Vader turning back to the light.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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Valheru_84 said:

adywan said:

And to those that say that part of the backlash against TLJ has nothing to do with racist/ misogynistic/hompophobic feelings in the SW community, you only have to see this one post on facebook and read the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682570385096504&set=gm.531837527203014&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And that is just ONE post. I’m seeing shit like this all the time. It’s starting to flood the net now. My Youtube channel got spammed with this type of crap and its all over facebook. Comments galore about how Kennedy is pushing a female agenda and making all the males into pussys, pushing forced diversity just for the Asian market, that they didn’t need all this shit in the OT and the prequels did a proper job at showing what the races really are like, how Rey should have been a guy and it would have made her being so powerful believable because women are weaker than men, and it goes on, but there is so much that i would never repeat.

Yes, its fine that people don’t like this movie, but you cannot deny that a large section think they are on a crusade against anything that isn’t white powerful and male. It’s gotten a lot worse since a certain person was elected as now they think their beliefs are accepted. It just makes me sick what the fandom has become.

I definitely don’t deny that such a demographic exists and it makes it a mine field to navigate if such issues do actually exist in a movie and you want to try and discuss them without being labelled and lobbed into that group. There is definitely no place for racist, misogynistic or homophobic comments in discussion about TLJ and the idea that Rey should have been male is just ridiculous. As with the selection of any future SW movie directors or actors for a role, gender should not ever come into the equation but simply be the best person for the job regardless of gender unless the character itself calls for a specific gender. In the case of Rey, it could have been written for either gender or easily adjusted as required depending on who won the role.

Agreed. It’s something i’ve seen growing. TFA, you had this happen to a degree, but it’s been the past year that it’s really blown up and TLJ seems to have really brought out the sickening behaviour. There are many many groups of facebook dedicated solely to this kind of thing. Most are secret so you can’t see the content unless you are added. For some reason i keep getting added to these secret groups, so i see what is going on before blocking them from re-adding me again. Just prior to TLJ there was already many campaigns underway to not only ruin the movie for others by spamming every SW group with spoilers, but to also make their grievances heard about how Disney is alienating white males etc etc by downvoting any positive youtube reviews/ videos, spam negative commenting/ reviewing on the main sites ( facebook, IMDb, RT etc) even if they haven;t seen the movie. Makes me laugh in some sad way. They want to go out of their way to give Disney the middle finger, yet pay to go see the film on opening night just so they can spoil it for everyone else. They must lead such sad lives. I, myself, have received strings of abuse the second i said " i liked TLJ".

Which is why i think the term “Mary Sue” should no longer be acceptable to use any more. It may once have been used to mean one thing, but it is more commonly used now in a completely different way by these morons.

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adywan said:
Which is why i think the term “Mary Sue” should no longer be acceptable to use any more. It may once have been used to mean one thing, but it is more commonly used now in a completely different way by these morons.

Fair enough, I’ve been fine myself with the use of Mary-Sue in understanding it’s origins and original meaning but seeing as the English language constantly evolves and things take on different meanings, maybe it is time to stop using it to try and discourage those that use it in a sexist fashion.

Maybe we could refer to such characters from now on as UCCs - Unbelievably Capable Characters 😛

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Ryan said:

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Ryan said:

One thing I didn’t like was you have Return of the Jedi. And then a couple of movies later you have The Last Jedi with apparently Luke being the last Jedi. It kind of makes the “Return” rather pointless.

Ah, but remember Yoda’s words in ROTJ, “Luke, when gone am I… the last of the Jedi will you be.”

He was being totally serious and literal.

Yes, last of the Jedi in that moment as Obi-Wan had already died and Yoda was dying. But after watching ROTJ with it being called “Return of the Jedi”. I always took that to mean that the Jedi were back at the end of the movie. i.e. the Jedi were previously hunted down and nearly all killed pre-Episode IV. And Luke caused the death of Vader and the Emperor and then Luke became a “new” Jedi.

And so I had always imagined that after ROTJ, that the Jedi were back. i.e. Luke trains new Jedi, plus they’re not being hunted down anymore, etc.

I think this is the problem some of you are having with TLJ (and by extension TFA). You have had in your mind, ever since 1983 in some cases, how things should go after ROTJ. You got something different, so you don’t like it. That’s fair, but someone else’s interpretation of how things went after ROTJ is also fair. And also happens to be what was put into theaters.

JEDIT: Spare me the “RJ’s interpretation of Luke is wrong and mine is right” argument, it’s been said over and over already.

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Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

The thing is, who else was there to witness Jake’s actions?

Insisting on calling Luke “Jake” is really silly. I hate the prequels and the Anakin we got was not in any way the Anakin I wanted, but I’m not going to make a show of calling him “Tomakin.”

Your opinion on Luke being done incorrectly is valid. It’s an opinion I completely disagree with, but it’s your right to believe it. Refusing to call him by his actual name just comes off as childish.

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Porkins4real said:

Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.

Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.

sounds like the same dude to me.

I love these cherry-picked arguments, where you completely ignore the fact that ROTJ Luke tried to kill the emperor despite knowing he shouldn’t.

And the “MAY turn to the dark side thing” is your misinterpretation, because that’s not what Luke says in the movie to Rey. It’s quite clear the way Luke tells the story that Ben WILL turn to the darkside (if he hadn’t already).

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Trying to de-canonize canon by creating new character names and pretending it to belong in another universe is the equivalent of Schizophrenia. Perhaps we soon will have TLJ haters in a psychiatric ward screaming “IT AIN’T LUKE! IT AIN’T THE REAL LUKE!”.

I fear for the fandom.

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SilverWook said:

So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

I bet they read like stereo instructions.

The blue elephant in the room.

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There were actually two shots of the texts. I missed both the first time I saw the movie and it was this thread that clued me in to watch for it the second time.

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TV’s Frink said:

Porkins4real said:

Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.

Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.

sounds like the same dude to me.

I love these cherry-picked arguments, where you completely ignore the fact that ROTJ Luke tried to kill the emperor despite knowing he shouldn’t.

And the “MAY turn to the dark side thing” is your misinterpretation, because that’s not what Luke says in the movie to Rey. It’s quite clear the way Luke tells the story that Ben WILL turn to the darkside (if he hadn’t already).

The way I took what Luke said is that Ben Solo was already so full of the dark side that he was basically fallen already. Unfortunately for Luke, his momentary bad judgement seems to have been the final catalyst for the final turn.

Or was it. There have been a few things I have been mulling over in my mind. One of them is the destiny of the force users (I am not using Jedi or Sith because neither of those groups really exist any longer). Enough people had a theory about the Force that I understand GL tried to debunk. That Anakin was the chosen one and to bring balance to the force the Jedi and Sith had to end. The Jedi were wiped out by Palpatine and Vader, and Anakin finished the job by returning to the light and killing Palpatine and Palpatine killed him (or Palpatine had been keeping him alive and with his death Anakin was doomed to die … one theory anyway). Some have also though of the Force in terms of ying/yang with the dark and the light being two sides of a whole that were split artificially leading to a slanted Jedi and the Sith. Well, I recall GL saying absolutely not to something in the above, but you never know with him. He also said he would never do 7, 8, and 9 after the PT and here we are. He did the first treatment of it. I don’t know how much of what we are seeing is his idea for the ST, but we know that Luke in exile is from him.

But the dialog in TLJ and other little hints leads me to believe that the fate of Kylo and Rey are intertwined. Why has Kylo always been so torn. Why can he not shut down the light side and make a complete transition to the dark. Why was Rey not afraid in the cave - something that Luke said was the Dark Side. And then Rose and her sister having ying/yang pendants. I think the error that resulted in the Jedi vs. the Sith set the force out of balance and to fix it, the Jedi and Sith had to go and need to be replaced with a single order that neither fears the light nor the dark. The visions that Rey and Kylo had while connected show conflicting yet complimentary visions of the future. Now those visions may have just been referring to the way TLJ ended with both of them fighting back to back, but it could also refer to something further in the future. And rather than Kylo turning Rey or Rey turning Kylo, if the yin/yang theory holds, they will find a middle ground and both take up the same new path into the future. We lost both Snoke and Luke, the last great force powers of the previous generation and are left with Kylo and Rey, the great force powers of the next generation.

Just a theory, but one that makes sense and leads to a potentially satisfactory ending with a Skywalker on the right side at the end. It would end with a new Jedi order that would be balanced and be able to teach students how to tap, but not fall, into the dark side. Like Luke did in ROTJ. Luke’s grayness in ROTJ is the path I see that this should go and Luke misread the darkness he saw in Ben Solo. But I’ve been wrong before.

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yhwx said:

Porkins4real said:

Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.

Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.

sounds like the same dude to me.

You’re missing the key context in ROTJ — Luke almost considers killing Vader which would complete his turn to the darkness.

Yes and likewise killing your nephew in his sleep would turn you to the darkside. That is why it makes no sense that he would considering doing it.

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TV’s Frink said:

There were actually two shots of the texts. I missed both the first time I saw the movie and it was this thread that clued me in to watch for it the second time.

I only saw the one.
I’m thinking they probably start like this:

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

SilverWook said:

So, everybody has forgotten or didn’t see the blink and you’ll miss it shot of those ancient Jedi books stashed away on the Falcon? Rey may not have a living trainer, but she’s got the instruction manuals.

I bet they read like stereo instructions.

Page turners, they were not.

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Porkins4real said:

yhwx said:

Porkins4real said:

Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.

Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.

sounds like the same dude to me.

You’re missing the key context in ROTJ — Luke almost considers killing Vader which would complete his turn to the darkness.

Yes and likewise killing your nephew in his sleep would turn you to the darkside. That is why it makes no sense that he would considering doing it.

It’s the old “is it better to kill one person to save countless lives?” argument…so how would it not make sense for him to even consider it?

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TV’s Frink said:

Porkins4real said:

yhwx said:

Porkins4real said:

Luke in ROTJ puts down his lightsaber to face the emperor - the darkest man in the universe.

Luke in TLJ takes out his lightsaber and considers murdering his nephew in his sleep because he MAY turn to the dark side.

sounds like the same dude to me.

You’re missing the key context in ROTJ — Luke almost considers killing Vader which would complete his turn to the darkness.

Yes and likewise killing your nephew in his sleep would turn you to the darkside. That is why it makes no sense that he would considering doing it.

It’s the old “is it better to kill one person to save countless lives?” argument…so how would it not make sense for him to even consider it?

His mistake was not in the consideration, but in drawing and igniting his lightsaber. We still don’t know what happened to that one.

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An important question considering what one of the main issues is with the PT. Does anyone think the acting in the ST has been bad?