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Ohh yes you are correct.

It's in the 1977 novelisation of A New Hope and Mark Hamill mentions "Sith" in the From Star Wars to Jedi doc.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Really? In what context?
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Really? In what context?


As in Mark saying "I can't believe George is paying me to do this sith!"

Oh wait... maybe my dislexia is kicking in... my dab!
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At the beginning of the documentary when he is setting up the general story, the scene where Vader enters the Tantive IV plays and Hamill says: "Darth Vader, Darth Lord of the Sith."
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"As in Mark saying "I can't believe George is paying me to do this sith!"

LOL....but I distinctly remember it being Harrison Ford telling Lucas "You can write this sith, but you can't say it."

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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hey guys i think tarkin knows that pali is a sith. i dont think pali did much to keep it a secret after Ep3 cause that blue guy knows and he just some guy. the moffs knew too i think.
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
At the beginning of the documentary when he is setting up the general story, the scene where Vader enters the Tantive IV plays and Hamill says: "Darth Vader, Darth Lord of the Sith."


I meant, the context of the novelization...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
At the beginning of the documentary when he is setting up the general story, the scene where Vader enters the Tantive IV plays and Hamill says: "Darth Vader, Darth Lord of the Sith."


I meant, the context of the novelization...



The novel decribes Darth Vader as "the Dark lord of the Sith".

"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Interestingly enough, the novelization makes it clear that the Empire was under the control of Palp's Force abilities, which would explain its machine-like efficiency. After Palps is killed, the armies, which were too dependant on this control, fall into disarray, and are able to be overcome by the Republic forces. (A very similar concept was used for the droid armies in TPM.)

While the movie doesn't touch on this, you may notice that the Republic doesn't start kicking butt until after Palps is killed.
This is also reflected in the Zahn trilogy (cannot remember which book...think its the first). Palleon talks about the disarray at the Battle of Endor with Thrawn, and Thrawn suggests that it was the death of the Emperor that caused it...that he was subtly controlling all the various ranking officers through the Force. Palleon doesn't believe it, saying it was because they lost the Executor and the shield went down.

I think it was in context to why they need the C'Baoth clone...C'Baoth could control the crews of ships suffering from the double-blind effects of the Imperial Cloak, allowing greater coordination.
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Which book dude, find out please.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Interestingly enough, the novelization makes it clear that the Empire was under the control of Palp's Force abilities, which would explain its machine-like efficiency. After Palps is killed, the armies, which were too dependant on this control, fall into disarray, and are able to be overcome by the Republic forces. (A very similar concept was used for the droid armies in TPM.)

While the movie doesn't touch on this, you may notice that the Republic doesn't start kicking butt until after Palps is killed.
This is also reflected in the Zahn trilogy (cannot remember which book...think its the first). Palleon talks about the disarray at the Battle of Endor with Thrawn, and Thrawn suggests that it was the death of the Emperor that caused it...that he was subtly controlling all the various ranking officers through the Force. Palleon doesn't believe it, saying it was because they lost the Executor and the shield went down.

I think it was in context to why they need the C'Baoth clone...C'Baoth could control the crews of ships suffering from the double-blind effects of the Imperial Cloak, allowing greater coordination.

yep you are correct, all this is in thee thrawn trilogy.
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Did Thrawn know Palpy was a Sithlord?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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I would imagine so...

From Star Wars Technical Commentaries, Novel References Section
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"The Rebels did indeed fight better, but not because of any special abilities or training. They fought better than the Fleet because the Emperor was dead."
[Thrawn] turned to Pellaeon. "You were there, Captain--you must have noticed it. The sudden loss of coordination between crew members and ships; the loss of efficiency and discipline. The loss, in short, of that elusive quality we call fighting spirit."
"There was some confusion, yes," Pellaeon said stiffly. He was starting to see where Thrawn was going with this, and he didn't like it a bit. "But nothing that can't be explained by the normal stresses of battle."
One blue-black eyebrow went up, just slightly. "Really? The loss of the Executor--the sudden, last-minute TIE fighter incompetence that brought about the destruction of the Death Star itself--the loss of six other Star Destroyers in engagements that none of them should have had trouble with? All of that nothing but normal battle stress?"
"The Emperor was not directing the battle," Pellaeon snapped with a fire that startled him. "Not in any way. I was there, Admiral--I know."
"Yes, Captain, you were there," Thrawn said, his voice abruptly hard. "And it's time you gave up your blindfold and faced the truth, no matter how bitter you find it. You had no real fighting spirit of your own anymore--none of you in the Imperial Fleet did. It was the Emperor's will that drove you; the Emperor's mind that provided you with the strength and resolve and efficiency. You were as dependent on that presence as if you were all borg-implanted into a combat computer."
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LOL. Funny how it takes a good writer to try and explain some of the sillyness of ROTJ (ie the ease of 'victory' after the Death Star II exploded). Tim Zahn is a great guy too- I partyed with him a couple of times in Tampa at a yearly convention down there... I'll post some pics if I can dig them up.
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Ahh thanks for the info..
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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on the thread, I don't think Tarkin knew that the Emporer was a sith, or even Sith lord. he WAS the emperor though. No questions asked.

There are several quotes that seem to indicate who was in charge, aboard the death star at least. "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's Leash" and the command Tarkin gave Vader in the conference room about Motti. "Vader, Release him". and in subsequent movies when Vader got to play, people dropped like flies, rank shuffles occured, rapid advancement commenced. its not to say that Tarkin was Vader's superior, more like Tarkin was Grand Moff of the Death star, and Vader was not part of his command. On equal footing, but Tarkin was in command of his space station, Darth could only seriously play with Tarkin's permission. or in the battle later, once he was in his own ship. In the novelisations, tey describe Darth as a henchman, kinda like an independant operator. no in the fleet, or army. would explain why people in the forces got away with talking to him that way in ANH, but in later movies, were SERIOUSLY polite when talking to him, and even that didn't save them at times. "apology accepted Captain Needa" rings silently on that note...

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I think the imperial troops were unaware that he was a Sithlord.
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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i think all the moffs new what pali was. tarkin being a moff would have known.
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I think the whole point of The Emperor/Sidious is that he deliberately hides his true self and his powers, and manipulates things behind the scenes and gets others namely Vader to do his dirty work for him, Outside of the Jedi council I'd be surprised if anyone else knew of the existence of the Sith or what a Sith lord was, he became Emperor by discrediting the Jedi and ending the Clone Wars, by the time he ascended to power he would have been seen as the Hero who ended the war and bought Peace to the Galaxy which opened the floodgates to corruption, after all it did take take 20 years for a small band of rebels to make any sort of effective stance towards the Empire.

I always assumed the Emperor was a reclusive leader that only a precious few high level Imperial dignitaries would ever come into contact with, bueraucracy would do the rest. I'm sure many would suspect he was pure evil, but I think he would have kept his dark powers well hidden operating only to subtley manipulate events on a large scale, Vader was his show-pony and his display of powers were enough to instill fear and obedience throughout the Galaxy.

unfortunately the EU only tends to muddy this issue by making his Dark Powers obvious to all.
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I always saw Tarkin as being the top man in charge on the Death Star and Vader being the Emperors representative sent to watch over the completion of the Death star and to make sure Tarkin didn't stuff it up. Tarkin is clearly in charge of operations on the death star, but ultimately answerable to the Emperor via Vader. Tarkin's leadership and strategy is well respected by both Vader and the Emperor, that's why Tarkin is allowed to stand up to and give orders to Vader but he knows well enough not to overstep the mark .There's a very obvious sense of respect between Vader and Tarkin.
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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
I think the whole point of The Emperor/Sidious is that he deliberately hides his true self and his powers, and manipulates things behind the scenes and gets others namely Vader to do his dirty work for him, Outside of the Jedi council I'd be surprised if anyone else knew of the existence of the Sith or what a Sith lord was, he became Emperor by discrediting the Jedi and ending the Clone Wars, by the time he ascended to power he would have been seen as the Hero who ended the war and bought Peace to the Galaxy which opened the floodgates to corruption, after all it did take take 20 years for a small band of rebels to make any sort of effective stance towards the Empire.


I totally agree. When Tarkin says to Vader "You, My Friend, are all that's left of that religion." I think he makes it clear he has no knowledge of the Emperor's powers. He doesn't say, "You and the Emperor..."

He does however, probably know that Vader was once the reknowned Jedi war hero Anakin Skywalker, hence the "religion" remark, and is known to possess unusual powers. Why he is so loyal to Palpatine is anyone's guess. He doesn't really strike me as the kind of guy who thinks what he is doing is "right". But, rather the kind of person who takes pleasure in doing what is wrong.

In any case, Tarkin is a complicated character, and I was hoping the prequels would eventually offer some answers to these questions, but sadly, one of the greatest disappointments of the Prequels is that he was never mentioned and only served as window dressing in the background of the last shot of the saga.