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"(For the record, I don't see any smearing on either Faces or the DC with my 925.)"

Nor do I from my 704. Then again, it's been a looooooooong time since I've watched either at full speed. [Firefly] "Does that seem right to you?" [/Firefly]

"This is on my player, though, Which smears pretty noticably with CLV discs and not at all with CAV discs."

Again showing it's more of a player problem than a transfer problem.

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I might also point out that the Def. Col. has a long list of several documented problems in every print and reprint, whereas the Faces set has very few (that I'm aware of.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"(For the record, I don't see any smearing on either Faces or the DC with my 925.)"

Nor do I from my 704. Then again, it's been a looooooooong time since I've watched either at full speed. [Firefly] "Does that seem right to you?" [/Firefly]


I've read a few places that the 704 is a notorious smearer. See page 24 of Zion's project thread. There are smearing caps of the faces set from his 704. Also in that thread (page 21) are smearing caps from Karyudo. It's just listed as "US" so I'm not sure which set that comes from or what player. His Japanese caps look much better. Aside from the better black level (which is because of Japan's 0 IRE standard), there is no smearing. Are these CAV discs?


"This is on my player, though, Which smears pretty noticably with CLV discs and not at all with CAV discs."

Again showing it's more of a player problem than a transfer problem.


I don't disagree, my opinion is also that the smear comes from the way a player handles the CLV format. But the reason really means nothing to me, in the end it's which one looks best to me on my setup. But since this is the X0 thread and it doesn't seem to smear, it's a non-issue for this set. Though, I have never seen a CAV vs CLV comparison, so it's still possible that while the X0 handles CLV much better than your usual player, it may also handle CAV even better.


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I might also point out that the Def. Col. has a long list of several documented problems in every print and reprint, whereas the Faces set has very few (that I'm aware of.)



I've read over that list and the only few flaws not fixed in the very latest pressing are very minor to me and usually I couldn't even find them. I don't think it can be said that one set is w/o question better than the other. Everyone has their preference and mine is the DC set. If I had a X0, I may like the faces set better.

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I might also point out that the Def. Col. has a long list of several documented problems in every print and reprint, whereas the Faces set has very few (that I'm aware of.)


Here's the lastest updated list of the flaws I could find. It still lists Luke's saber as not having been fixed, so this list is even older than my pressing. Even more of these "flaws" may have been fixed, but I haven't checked my set as none of the ones left would even bother me. Though I could check if anyone would like me to.

http://home.earthlink.net/~treadwell_jay/starwars/THX.htm

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Sorry if this has been answered already, but is the x0 project a capture of the Faces or Definitive LDs?

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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At this point, it is only the Def. Col. We are still negotiating on a Faces set. Cross your fingers.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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What do you mean "negotiating"?

I'm just curious as to what's happening, sorry if I'm too inquisitive.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Well, it's someone else's player, and it costs a lot of money to ship LDs and a hard drive across the globe. This is what the donations are for.

This is not to say that the person is being uncooperative, but considering the Def. Col. is 9 discs altogether, with 15 sides to play and capture altogether - that's quite a bit of work already.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
At this point, it is only the Def. Col. We are still negotiating on a Faces set. Cross your fingers.



I didn't realize that, for some reason I was thinking the faces set was being used. Hope you can get the faces set, would be good to finally see a comparison on the ultimate player. This should be able to put to rest the CLV vs CAV and DC vs faces issues.

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Well, it's someone else's player, and it costs a lot of money to ship LDs and a hard drive across the globe. This is what the donations are for.

This is not to say that the person is being uncooperative, but considering the Def. Col. is 9 discs altogether, with 15 sides to play and capture altogether - that's quite a bit of work already.


Ahh, I see. Wow, this project is hard core. I gather that the Definitive Sets have been captured and is being worked on now. Is the team then hoping to get the Faces set captured as to mix the two together and get the best of both transfers - or maybe to draw comparaisons between the two and pick the best version to be considered gold master?

(anyone thought about sending a fruit basket to the guy actually transfering this... to show our thanks? :-P )

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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Actually, both sets may be used in separate releases. Sometimes, personal preferences take precedence over technical matters, and some people may just want one or the other.

That being said, the Faces set is the one I intend to go through frame by frame and clean up visual glitches and such (yellow tape marks, video drop-outs, etc.) I was a third of the way through my own transfer when the X0 project came up, but that first third looks soooooo clean, it's not even funny.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I don't know if it would help Sirs, but I would gladly donate my copies of the 'Faces' Laserdiscs for use if need be.

I'm not sure I'm following correctly, but if they are needed it's the least I could do to contribute to the community.
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I am currently looking for someone in Australia that may want to swap a faces set of Laserdiscs for a definitive set of laserdiscs. (I have two definitive sets, but need another US faces set)
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Well, it's someone else's player, and it costs a lot of money to ship LDs and a hard drive across the globe. This is what the donations are for.

This is not to say that the person is being uncooperative, but considering the Def. Col. is 9 discs altogether, with 15 sides to play and capture altogether - that's quite a bit of work already.


I wonder if it would be better if the guy with the X0 used something like Norton Ghost to transfer the files from one drive to another. That would be a lot easier than capturing each time. He could have one drive with the Faces set and one with the DC. Maybe there will eventually be enough donations to ship him two drives to hold on to until the project is over. One for the Faces and the other for the DC or maybe just one drive if it is decided upon that only one version is to be used.

I plan to make a donation as soon as I can. We are moving to a new house before long, so funds are kind of tight.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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"I wonder if it would be better if the guy with the X0 used something like Norton Ghost to transfer the files from one drive to another."

I'm not sure how this would help. The captures are 80+ Gbs, and we don't have that much hard drive space to send, and shipping them to and from Europe is expensive.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It's not a matter that he has the capture and needs to copy it onto multiple drives, it is that he is doing another capture for us as a favour, and anyone who has done their own capture knows how much hassle capturing from laserdisc in the first place is, especially uncompressed and multiple sides.
Anyway, we are sorting it out, no need for concern

On other matters, I am loading ANH back onto my drives tomorrow, so hopefully we will get some screenshots up not long after.

BTW, did anyone here go to C3?
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Besides zion, that is.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Laserman
It's not a matter that he has the capture and needs to copy it onto multiple drives, it is that he is doing another capture for us as a favour, and anyone who has done their own capture knows how much hassle capturing from laserdisc in the first place is, especially uncompressed and multiple sides.
Anyway, we are sorting it out, no need for concern

On other matters, I am loading ANH back onto my drives tomorrow, so hopefully we will get some screenshots up not long after.

BTW, did anyone here go to C3?


That's cool. I just figured it would be easier to ghost the drives. I guess the 80+GB per figure MeBeJedi mentioned was per film. Well, I figured if the guy with the X0 had one 300GB drive with the Faces set captured onto it and one 300GB drive with the DC set captured onto it, he could just use Norton Ghost or something like that to copy the contents of his capture drives onto any hard drive anyone sends him as long as they are big enough. So, if he had that and you wanted let's say the Faces set capture, you could just send him a drive big enough for it and he could just copy the contents off of his Faces drive onto your and send that back to you instead of having to recapture the Faces set again onto the drive you send him. Also, I don't know if the person with the X0 has both the DC and Faces LD's. If they don't, you would only have to send either of them to him once because he would be able to capture them to his archive drives and send the LD's back when he is finished. Once he has both sets captured onto his two archive drives, there would be no need to send LD's back and forth. That way, only hard drives would be shipping back and forth and I know they would be cheaper to ship than LD's. I hope all of that makes sense.

Now everything I've said could be moot if you start adding more LD's to the mix like both the Japanese and U.S. Faces releases and if you start experimenting with different capture devices. Which all of that could very well be a concern as well.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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"instead of having to recapture the Faces set again onto the drive you send him."

The problem is, he hasn't captured the Faces set the *first* time yet. The only capture he's done so far is the Def. Col.

[EDIT] Oops, zion beat me to it.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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And it is a reluctant favour at that, so he won't be producing multiple copies or anything by any stretch of the imagine.
Anyhow, we have it sorted out.

What would be really helpful at the moment is if someone could find a service manual for a Pioneer CLD-2950, I'm having trouble tracking one down.

I'll be watching ANH on the 3.6m wide screen tonight (approx 12ft wide) to look for errors and dropouts and so forth, I might post a pic of the big screen image if anyone is interested...
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This site has the manual for the previous model, the 2850. Maybe they can help you out?
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Originally posted by: zion
Patrick, it's not a matter of us needing the same files again, it's that we want another capture off a different LD.


I see. Is he going to have to capture the same Faces set each time (once for you, once for MeBeJedi, once for Laserman, etc) or is this going to be a community thing where he captures it once and everyone will have access to the same hard drive? That is what I mean. Let's say 10 people want the Faces set captured and he agrees. Instead of capturing it 10 times, he can capture it once to his drive, if he has one big enough to hold it. Then, whoever wants a copy of that capture can just send him their drive and he can copy his drive to their drive and send their drive back. That would be far less time consuming than capturing that set 10 times. That is all I am saying.

I agree that what I have said wouldn't make sense if let's say, you wanted the U.S. Faces capture, Laserman wanted a PAL Faces capture, MeBe wanted a DC capture, Bill wanted an earlier CBS/Fox capture, Frank wanted an SE capture, and so on. Yeah, that would be too many archived drives for the guy to have on hand.

I'm sorry to mention all that. That is all I will say about that.

Oops. Laserman already replied before I could post.

I did want to change up and ask if there is going to be any experimentation with capture devices. I believe they are using something like a PDI Delux. Does the X0 owner have several different capture devices? Does anyone plan to send them additional capture devices?

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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"Maybe they can help you out?"

That might not be enough, since we're trying to get a good look at the innards of the player.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
Originally posted by: zion
Patrick, it's not a matter of us needing the same files again, it's that we want another capture off a different LD.


I'm sorry to mention all that. That is all I will say about that.

Patrick


Excellent - let's move on.

Re the PDI, I'm not going to go into a huge amount of detail here about the capture process, we will be covering it soon in an article on the site.

But to answer your question, no, it will not be captured on anything except the PDI deluxe card.
We have already done 3 months of experimentation with capture devices, and the PDI/Sweetspot was head and shoulders above any other solution -
At any rate, it far out-specs the laserdisc standards, so the difference with using anything above that is pretty academic.
It is more what is done after the capture from this point on.
Keep your eye on the site for more details re the capture aspect. For us as a crew, we have moved past that stage, we know how to get the best capture we can, and what gear to use, our R&D is now into the processing of footage stage, so that is what we will be discussing here for the most part, as it is what we are doing now.