The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 84

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

I think that calling each other (or each other’s arguments) “weak” is not actually helping to further the discussion, but tantamount to name calling.

And what does this post do, exactly, that helps further the discussion?

It discusses my current state of mind about the film.

Does it?

Valheru_84 said:

In this case it was not directed at me but I felt Joefavs’s reply was pretty disingenuous in the face of what DrDre’s post was actually saying and wanted to point this out. He’s free to correct himself if he wants.

joefavs said:

I understood his point just fine, I just think bringing in extra-textual material like this is a bad move in general. Deleted scenes are like biblical apocrypha. It’s interesting stuff from a process standpoint, but it’s disingenuous to assign it any kind of substantial weight when you’re evaluating the finished film, especially when it was cut for the very reason you find it problematic in the first place. Star Wars aside, I take issue with that as a general principle of criticism.

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

I think that calling each other (or each other’s arguments) “weak” is not actually helping to further the discussion, but tantamount to name calling.

And what does this post do, exactly, that helps further the discussion?

It discusses my current state of mind about the film.

What? How?

chyron8472 said:

I really need to see the film again. All this back and forth about it, and I’ve slept several times since seeing it just the once. I need to refresh my own opinion instead of continually filling my head with what everyone else thinks.

I’ve watched it twice, and honestly I think it was enough. I’m not personally willing to give the people that made a movie I didn’t love more money than that of 2 tickets.

I’m naturally going to buy the Blu-ray though, but only so that I can watch fanedits.

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

DrDre said:
Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

Says the one that admits to being snarky whenever they reply.

This:

“I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak.”

is not “being snarky.”

It’s just straight up hostile and nasty.

Or we can try to stop being toxic altogether.

Like, attacking me for saying I need to rewatch the film by insinuating that my simply saying so makes me a hypocrite.

I hate to keep saying this, but…what?

I feel like you’re having a discussion no one else is invited to. Where did anyone attack you or say anything like that?

JEDIT: I think you responded to the wrong Dom post.

I’m not starting anything. Go back and read through the discussion again. I think you responded to the wrong Dom post.

Expand what you quoted here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1149482

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

Valheru_84 said:

joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

DrDre said:
Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

Says the one that admits to being snarky whenever they reply.

This:

“I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak.”

is not “being snarky.”

It’s just straight up hostile and nasty.

Or we can try to stop being toxic altogether.

I don’t see anything wrong with calling someone out for lowering the level of discourse.

Like, attacking me for saying I need to rewatch the film by insinuating that my simply saying so makes me a hypocrite.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

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SilverWook said:

Nobody start anything. It would unfortunate if the thread had to be locked.

I’m not trying to, trust me. People are seeing things that aren’t there and putting words in my mouth.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Expand what you quoted here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1149482

There was a back and forth with people calling each other (or their argument) weak. I said that doesn’t further discussion. Then I said, on a different tack, that I feel I need to watch the film again because my mind is blurry with how I, myself feel about particular scenes. Then I got called out for not furthering discussion by saying so, suggesting I am a hypocrite.

Saying I need to watch the film again, in a thread about the film, can be considered part of the discussion. I don’t need to explain the whole of why I feel as such in the same post as saying so.

I have no idea how you came to this conclusion, but apparently I was wrong in thinking you mixed up which post you were quoting. At any rate, it’s not important so I’ll drop it. Was certainly not trying to start anything, nor was anyone else as far as I can tell.

chyron8472 said:

Okay, yes, I now realize I mixed which post he was quoting, because I posted again before he quoted me and I thought he quoted the second one. But my point still stands. Telling people they need to stop name calling does not not-further-discussion if it encourages people to actually be civil.

But don’t you see that my post was basically saying the same thing? (i.e. calling someone’s reading comprehension skills weak is a rude and uncivil way to engage in discussion)

So please, let’s be civil and get back on topic.

Agreed

Am I being a problem in this thread? Or in the website in general? If so, I’ll just go to spectator mode until my winter break is over, and maybe even further.

I enjoyed the movie. There was a bit too much humor, but the twists were refreshingly out of left field and I loved how they treated a mature, but broken Luke. I had a good time. The humor overload and the casino planet are my only “gripes” (not a fan of there being a Monte Carlo-style resort city with earth-like slot machines and craps tables in a galaxy far, far away).

The Last Jedi is firmly in the fifth slot of my five favorite Star Wars films.

Rey’s cave scene:

I’ve written before the metamessage of the movie is to deny the possibility of a coherent trajectory or “journey” through time, therefore it just counterdicts the very notion of identity (since it’s a femminist movie with a liberal ethos, it doesn’t matter who you are because you can be whoever you want to be, not even gender applies). In order to counterdict that notion of identity through time, life isn’t thought or represented as a coherent whole anymore, it’s just a sucession of frames.

We are the sum of different persons we’ve been through time. There’s not an “I” but an infinite sucession of Me(s). That’s why there are infinite Reys in line, from past to future.

Yet here’s the key, the Rey that claps her fingers in the past, ends up clapping them in the future, there’s a certain flow of events from past to future. When “our” Rey understands this, she understands what is at the end of the line, the invisible wire that connects his past present and future has an answer that is in the future: she is defined by the question on who her parents are.

The mirror is at the end of the line, so this tells us her life is defined by that quest, or the inverse, the quest to know who she is is what will end up defining her life. It doesn’t matter who her parents are, because she is defined solely by the question. That’s why in the end she is her parents in the mirror, she’s an orphan. She will always be. That is her true identity, or “the name of her movie”.

Nice movie, definitely the most intelectual Star Wars has gotten ever. Only I just don’t agree with its contents. As well as I just don’t agree with the fact that knowing who your parents are doesn’t add a sense of relief in the soul of an orphan.

Could have REDACTED made a REDACTED based on REDACTED?