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DrDre
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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21-Dec-2017, 4:03 AM

adywan said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

adywan said:

Well the Jedi aren’t exactly without flaws in the OT. You get Obi-wan lying , and Yoda keeping his mouth shut, to Luke about his father because they needed him to defeat the empire. And , when Luke was rushing off to save his friends and ultimately confront vader, Obi-Wan told him that he wouldn’t interfere. The same person that was supposed to be more powerful than we could possibly imagine after being struck down. And then, When Luke was calling out to him to help, completely ignored him. And finally told him that if he didn’t go and face Vader again and kill him that the emperor had won. refused to even listen when Luke said there was still good in him. He just wanted Vader dead.

How are any of these flaws? Obi-wan didn’t lie so much as he obscured the truth to protect Luke. He and Yoda knew that Luke wasn’t ready for that information, it would have destroyed him and turned him to the dark side. Nothing the Jedi did in the original movies was “bad” or “misguided” or “evil”.

They didn’t do it to protect him. They used him. Don’t you think that suddenly finding out , from the guy you were trying to kill, that he is your father and that the people who you thought were trying to help you were lying to you for their own gain, wouldn’t cause this kid some serious pain? That could screw someone up.

When Luke was leaving Dagobah:

YODA: Reckless is he. Now matters are worse.
Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope
Yoda: NO, there is another,

Oh great. So basically let’s not try to help this kid and intervene. It doesn’t really matter to us if he gets killed. If he survives then great, but if not, we have a back-up. Doesn’t matter whether or not yoda tried to get out of it by saying he wasn’t ready for the burden. If they didn’t think for one second that Vader would use the fact that he was Luke’s Father as an advantage and tell him, then they were idiots. So, yes, they were flawed.

They were flawed. The practical implementations of democracy are flawed. Should we abandon it altogether, because it’s flawed? I don’t think so, because it’s the values democracy represents that are worth fighting for. The same goes for the Jedi in my view.