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LexX said:

yhwx said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

I quite agree. If you’re here, you’re probably of the argumentative type, which means that it might be hard to let your arguments go. I’ve felt that many times before. You hold on to your arguments like children.

I’m just tired of that. Just tired. It doesn’t matter who posts their opinion about anything, there’s always someone whining about it and needing to have the last word. It’s become so tiresome that it’s better to just keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want the bully squad on your ass.

I feel similarly.

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So, for how long will this ban be in place? A couple of days? A week? A month?

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LexX said:

yhwx said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

I quite agree. If you’re here, you’re probably of the argumentative type, which means that it might be hard to let your arguments go. I’ve felt that many times before. You hold on to your arguments like children.

I’m just tired of that. Just tired. It doesn’t matter who posts their opinion about anything, there’s always someone whining about it and needing to have the last word. It’s become so tiresome that it’s better to just keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want the bully squad on your ass.

Wrong!

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DominicCobb said:

LexX said:

yhwx said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

I quite agree. If you’re here, you’re probably of the argumentative type, which means that it might be hard to let your arguments go. I’ve felt that many times before. You hold on to your arguments like children.

I’m just tired of that. Just tired. It doesn’t matter who posts their opinion about anything, there’s always someone whining about it and needing to have the last word. It’s become so tiresome that it’s better to just keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want the bully squad on your ass.

Wrong!

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DominicCobb said:

LexX said:

yhwx said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

I quite agree. If you’re here, you’re probably of the argumentative type, which means that it might be hard to let your arguments go. I’ve felt that many times before. You hold on to your arguments like children.

I’m just tired of that. Just tired. It doesn’t matter who posts their opinion about anything, there’s always someone whining about it and needing to have the last word. It’s become so tiresome that it’s better to just keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want the bully squad on your ass.

Wrong!

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Wow! Frink got banned‽‽‽

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ChainsawAsh said:

Jay said:

It’s a temporary ban. I think Frink needs to learn how to express his displeasure with others’ posts without flipping out every time.

Not permanent.

I am glad it is not permanent.

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chyron8472 said:

LexX said:

Aside from that one post, it’s been long overdue with all the public name-calling, harrassing, baiting, trolling, bullying, stirring and continous de-railing of threads for years.

I quite agree. Sometimes he can say things and not get banned and it baffles me.

You are not the only ones who felt this way.

A similar question was asked in that thread.

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DrDre said:

at which point he suddenly becomes a retard.

Oh fuck off already.

Before I just disagreed with your opinion on a film. Now I think you’re an asshole too.

How do you keep avoiding moderator warnings with all fights you start

His luck (or Jay’s patience) ran out because he’s certainly received a ban now.

“Logic is the battlefield of adulthood.”

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Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

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Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

No, and that’s what I think is the real injustice.

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Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

Nope, despite being just as inflammatory.

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towne32 said:

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated,

I agree.

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Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

Where were you in '77?

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

No, and that’s what I think is the real injustice.

I don’t know. I have seen the posts involved in this situation and I can’t cause they are in a spoiler thread and I haven’t seen TLJ yet. As for the r-word. I don’t us it. But it is as offensive as the n-word? I don’t know. I know Frink is very sensitive to it due to his child. Which is understandable. I am sure many other are sensitivity as well. I certainly don’t think it should be used in reference to anyone with mental problems. I think that would definitely be offensive. Apparently Jay doesn’t think the r-word is an offensive slur. I am more leaning on the side that it is offensive. The more I think about it, the more I don’t want to use the term at all.

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SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

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SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

I hope the person who used that word is a part of those bannings.

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SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

People are busy, y’know.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

No, and that’s what I think is the real injustice.

They only said it once. And they did get warned that it’s not acceptable. Frink, meanwhile, didn’t just blow up about that, but he kept berating and harassing Jedi Master Skywalker about probably-being-JMOW instead of just reporting him and letting the mods sort it out. (by the way, JMSW is not JMOW, so say the mods.)

Frink has had more than one incident, and over an extended period of time. Just that one use of r-word is not, I think, ban-worthy.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

People are busy, y’know.

People can make time for things.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

Besides, if he can’t ban the person the used the r-word, because he hasn’t read the thread because he hasn’t seen TLJ, then how can be ban Frink? Someone with banning power must have Frinks post. That same person can read the rest of the posts in the thread. If Frink was banned without his post being read, I think it would therefore be unfair to say you can’t discipline the guy that used the r-word because you haven’t read his post.

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yhwx said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

I hope the person who used that word is a part of those bannings.

It wasn’t willfully offensive, though. He just used R in lieu of, say, the word idiot. People over there are all comparing the r-word to the n-word—while I understand the need to try not to be offensive, the r-word is not omgwhattheheckdidyoujustsay levels of offensive that’s worthy of instaban—despite it hitting a sensitive chord for some people.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

People are busy, y’know.

true, but he is the admin here so it is not unreasonable to expect him to watch TLJ in a timely manner so he can admin over the spoiler threads.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

No, and that’s what I think is the real injustice.

They only said it once. And they did get warned that it’s not acceptable.

How many times they said shouldn’t matter. The point is, the rules say that any use of slurs results in an “immediate and permanent ban with no prior warning.” Jay should at least apply his rules equally.

Frink, meanwhile, didn’t just blow up about that, but he kept berating and harassing Jedi Master Skywalker about probably-being-JMOW instead of just reporting him and letting the mods sort it out. (by the way, JMSW is not JMOW, so say the mods.)

Ok, but if it were for his whole corpus of behavior that day, Jay should have said so. My argument is not that Frink should not have been banned, but that both should have been banned. That’s the fairest solution.

Frink has had more than one incident, and over an extended period of time. Just that one use of r-word is not, I think, ban-worthy.

Under my reading of the rules, it is.

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Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

Besides, if he can’t ban the person the used the r-word, because he hasn’t read the thread because he hasn’t seen TLJ, then how can be ban Frink? Someone with banning power must have Frinks post.

I think it was Jason or Wook. Jay did post in the thread, but that doesn’t mean he read more than the post that was reported.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

SilverWook said:

Jay has said more bans are likely as he reviews the thread. And he hasn’t even seen the movie yet so he’s spoiling himself in the process.

He should watch it first then. This is his site, so he should have already watched it.

Besides, if he can’t ban the person the used the r-word, because he hasn’t read the thread because he hasn’t seen TLJ, then how can be ban Frink? Someone with banning power must have Frinks post.

I think it was Jason or Wook.

Jay made the post explaining the ban.