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DrDre
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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20-Dec-2017, 11:21 AM

Matt.F said:

DrDre said:

MalàStrana said:

What if IX makes her the Chosen One then ? (but it would go against the “socialist” view of the movie about the Force which belongs to everyone, no-one included). If you think about it, Anakin was one of the most powerful Jedi of the Order but thanks to Obi-Wan restraints he never got too much powerful (TPM and then AOTC deal with that actually) while growing mistrust against the Order (TCW/ROTS deal with that as well). Imagine if he had stayed alone a a shitty planet, would he have become like Rey, very powerful in a matter of days ?
But I agree about Rey nonetheless, I has always been my main criticism against TFA.

Yeah, but even Anakin needed years of training to become a Jedi. He could see things before they happen, which was presented as a trait of someone with a lot of Force potential, but to use Jedi mind tricks, levitation, and to be proficient with a lightsaber required a lot of effort.

This scene in TESB clashes with the final scenes of TLJ in a major way:

Again, these are ‘perceived continuity clashes’ that you’re pulling out simply to try and discredit the new movies.

Now that you’re using the PT here’s one for you - why didn’t Ben take Luke to be trained by Yoda at a much younger age?

We know he has Skywalker blood - the Force is biological right? We know in ESB that Yoda thinks Luke should have been trained far younger. Why did Kenobi leave it so long?

There is no good answer - and nit picking and holding these new films to such a pedantic standard is just a double standard.

There’s nothing pedantic about it. I repeat George Lucas wrote in 1977:

“The Force is a perception of the reality that exists around us. You have to come to learn it. It’s not something you just get. It takes many, many years…Anyone who studied and worked hard could learn it. But you would have to do it on your own.”

The OT shows Luke taking many years to learn to control it. The PT does the same. Luke’s lack of control is one of the important story threads in TESB. Rey learns this stuff in days. That’s not a minor nitpick. It’s a huge inconsistency.

If you want an in-universe answers for why Obi-Wan didn’t train Luke at a younger age:

  1. During the early days of the Empire the Jedi were still being actively hunted. It was too dangerous. How do you hide a young kid using the Force in that atmosphere?
  2. The Rebellion’s first victory, when they stole the Death Star plans, was the spark that lit the fire in the OT. Before that Luke would have to face off the Empire alone with his laser sword. That would have been a suicide mission.
  3. Luke’s uncle Owen wasn’t a fan of old Ben, as is evident in ANH, and actively prevented Luke from interacting with that crazy old wizard.

Either way, I’ve criticized instances where the PT is inconsistent with the OT also, so using the PT inconsistencies as a defense for ST inconsistencies doesn’t fly with me. The inconsistencies of the PT were one of the many reasons why they were widely criticized. So, to now accept the same issues in the ST and carry on as if nothing’s wrong, that would really be having double standards in my book.