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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 126

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Collipso said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

joefavs said:

I’d be curious to find out when was the last time everyone here who ranks ROTS in the top half actually saw the film. I’m not being facetious, I seriously want to know if it’s something you guys watch regularly or if you haven’t reexamined it in a while.

I rank it fourth, not including The Last Jedi, which I’m waiting to see again in order to confirm the ranking. I watched Revenge of the Sith a couple of days ago when watching all the films before seeing TLJ. It’s still really good.

Yeah I basically share this opinion.

Why do you think ROTS is “really good?”

It’s one thing to say that it had interesting ideas or whatever Hal is saying, but he still recognizes it is a bad (“incompetent”) movie. What do you find remotely competent about it?

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I pulled the Rotten Tomatoes scores for the saga films so far, to see if anything interesting pops out. I’m listing the critical reception, audience reception, and the average of these two.

The Phantom Menace
Critical: 55%
Audience: 59%
Composite: 57% (audience enjoyed it 4% more)

Attack of the Clones
Critical: 66%
Audience: 57%
Composite: 61.5% (audience enjoyed it 9% less)

Revenge of the Sith
Critical: 79%
Audience: 65%
Composite: 72% (audience enjoyed it 14% less)

A New Hope
Critical: 93%
Audience: 96%
Composite: 94.5% (audience enjoyed it 3% more)

The Empire Strikes Back
Critical: 94%
Audience: 97%
Composite: 95.5% (audience enjoyed it 3% more)

Return of the Jedi
Critical: 80%
Audience: 94%
Composite: 87% (audience enjoyed it 14% more)

The Force Awakens
Critical: 93%
Audience: 88%
Composite: 90.5% (audience enjoyed it 5% less)

The Last Jedi
Critical: 93%
Audience: 55%
Composite: 74% (audience enjoyed it 38% less)

Critics’ composite ranking:
ESB
ANH/TFA/TLJ
ROTJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

Audience composite ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
ROTS
TPM
AOTC
TLJ

Average between critical and audience receptions:
ESB
ANH
TFA
ROTJ
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

Certainly, TLJ is the widest divide between critical and audience receptions by far. The closest parallel was with ROTS, where critics enjoyed it a fair bit more than audiences. The largest opposite is with ROTJ, with audiences enjoying it more than critics.
The two were pretty much united on disliking TPM, but AOTC and ROTS was praised a little more by critics than audiences. ANH and ESB are beloved by all, and ROTJ was enjoyed much more by audiences than critics. TFA was well received by each, and TLJ divided the two sharply.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I don’t believe that TLJ audience score. There’s been reports of 4chan and reddit bot trolling, and cinemascore scores (taken from the audience directly outside the theaters) are much closer to the critic score.

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Is there a comparable site that has a critical and audience composite rating? I only know of sites that have one or the other. If the results are the results of bullshit, that’s annoying. 😕

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Here’s a comparison between Metacritic and IMDB for each film. (I converted IMDB’s rating from something like 8.1 to 81 in order to match.)

The Phantom Menace
Metacritic: 51
IMDB: 65

Attack of the Clones
Metacritic: 54
IMDB: 66

Revenge of the Sith
Metacritic: 68
IMDB: 76

A New Hope
Metacritic: 92
IMDB: 87

The Empire Strikes Back
Metacritic: 81
IMDB: 88

Return of the Jedi
Metacritic: 53
IMDB: 84

The Force Awakens
Metacritic: 81
IMDB: 81

The Last Jedi
Metacritic: 86
IMDB: 78

Metacritic ranking:
ANH
TLJ
ESB/TFA
ROTS
AOTC
ROTJ
TPM

IMDB ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

IMDB favors the prequels over Metacritic by an average of about 11%. ANH is close between these two, though ESB is higher on IMDB. ROTJ was enjoyed much more by IMDB, by 31%. TFA was a perfect match, and TLJ was an approximate inversion of any of the prequel films, with critics enjoying it more than fans. The only other film Metacritic favored over IMDB was ANH by a small margin.

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No one cares about R1 anymore?

Hal 9000 said:

IMDB ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

Sounds about right.

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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Last I saw, Letterboxd has TLJ at a 4/5 average, which is .1 over TFA.

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LexX said:

No one cares about R1 anymore?

Hal 9000 said:

IMDB ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPM

Sounds about right.

Actually yeah! TPM sure ain’t the worst prequel but other than that this checks out. And I put R1 between ANH and ROTJ. 😃

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My 2017 opinion:

Star Wars: 10/10

What can I say? Perfect movie

Empire Strikes Back: 9.5/10

The Yoda parts get boring. There, I said it.

Return of the Jedi: 9/10

Ford and Fisher mail in their performances. Hamill is great. The Emperor is menacing and awesone.

The Force Awakens: 7/10

Feels like Star Wars. The first half is 8.5/10, the second is 5.5/ 10

Revenge of the Sith: 6.5/10

I like Hayden Christensen in this for some reason. Dialogue is bad of course, but he tries.

TPM: 5/10
AOTC: 4/10

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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theprequelsrule said:

Return of the Jedi: 9/10

Ford and Fisher mail in their performances.

Kinda, yeah, but shouldn’t a bad performance by two of the three leads result in something less than a 9/10?

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TV’s Frink said:

theprequelsrule said:

Return of the Jedi: 9/10

Ford and Fisher mail in their performances.

Kinda, yeah, but shouldn’t a bad performance by two of the three leads result in something less than a 9/10?

A fair point. My response is that because the film focused on Luke more than the others, their performances did not hurt as much as they might have. Plus, awesome space battle at the end!!!

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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I had to move The Last Jedi up a few spots after rewatching it a few times.

★★★★★
The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rebels (animated tv show)
Ewoks (animated tv show)

★★★★
Droids (animated tv show)
Caravan of Courage (Ewoks tv movie)
The Battle for Endor (Ewoks tv movie)

★★★
Star Wars Holiday Special
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

★★
The Clone Wars (animated tv shows/movies)

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Oh man, no way is the Clone Wars TV series worse than the prequels. Certain arcs and the 2008 movie, sure, but on the whole it was way better than the prequels themselves. The Umbara and final Mandalore arc are both up there with the OT in my mind.

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Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

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ChainsawAsh said:

Oh man, no way is the Clone Wars TV series worse than the prequels. Certain arcs and the 2008 movie, sure, but on the whole it was way better than the prequels themselves. The Umbara and final Mandalore arc are both up there with the OT in my mind.

Clone Wars was often very Star Warsy. I was sad to see it go.

Jar Jar was pretty good in it for Christ’s sake. That was an amazing achievement.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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TLJ position is subject to change, but right now I’m thinking:

1-2. Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back
3. The Force Awakens
4-5. Return of the Jedi, The Last Jedi
6. Rogue One
7. The Phantom Menace
8-9. Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith.

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  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. A New Hope
  3. The Last Jedi (subject to change)
  4. Return of the Jedi
  5. The Force Awakens (ROTJ and TFA are basically tied)
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Rogue One
  8. The Phantom Menace
  9. Attack of the Clones
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Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

I continue to be amazed that some people HATED this movie so much that they could actually put it last, behind three terribly made movies.

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TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

I continue to be amazed that some people HATED this movie so much that they could actually put it last, behind three terribly made movies.

The main OT actors were not in the prequels, so the prequels really couldn’t hurt them. They are in the ST however. So if you really don’t like how the ST portrays them, then I think you can understand where the hate comes from.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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TV’s Frink said:

Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

I continue to be amazed that some people HATED this movie so much that they could actually put it last, behind three terribly made movies.

Unfortunately such is the case Frink 😕 If it wasn’t a Star Wars movie I would say it is well made with good production value and an ok story, probably a 7/10 for me. Seeing that it is episode 8 though, I can’t decide on a rating due actually liking parts but hating it as a whole and what it does to SW itself. I don’t hate the PTs which is why they sit above TLJ.

I am considering a second TLJ viewing to give it a chance in changing my mind on some of the matters and see if being less of a shock 2nd time round helps me to appreciate anything more, but I honestly don’t foresee it changing my opinion much.

.Val

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Well I also don’t understand the idea that it somehow ruined Star Wars or the characters from the OT but ok.

Don’t feel like you need to explain, the other thread is full of explanations that I won’t ever understand. And that’s ok.

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Valheru_84 said:

Update on my ranking post TLJ viewing:

  1. SW, TESB & ROTJ (original theatricals and DSEs)
  2. TFA (theatrical, likely to be replaced by Hal’s fanedit)
  3. R1 (theatrical)
  4. ROTS (Kerr Fanedit “Dark Force Rising”)
  5. TPM (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  6. AOTC (Anti-cheese Fanedit)
  7. TLJ

.Val

+1

Assimilate THIS!

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rodneyfaile said:

I had to move The Last Jedi up a few spots after rewatching it a few times.

Curious: how many times have you watched it so far ? (it just go released a few days ago…)