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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 49

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KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Nandi said:

Wexter said:

Nandi said:

Wexter said:

Seriously people, diversity of the cast is NOT one of this film’s problems. The diversity may feel somewhat forced in the Disney Star Wars, but while there are people actually being butthurt about the diverse cast, it is actually right to emphasize diversity, even if its only for the sake of it (which I’m not 100% sure it is).

We all agree about equality.
Problem rise when you intentionally make all oposite sex characters worthless (cowards, stupid etc).

I honestly don’t think that is what’s happening here.

How so?
Poe is rash
Fin is coward
Luke is weak
Kylo is evil
new smugler is spineless, etc

only female character with a flaw is Phasma

swap genders and you have most sexist film ever made

Poe isn’t rash, Poe is a downright psychotic. I’m not saying that the above is not true. I’m just saying that I don’t think they had a specific agenda to make the men look bad.

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Had no idea this site was filled with so many MRA types. What am I even doing here?

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chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

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Serious question, on an almost different topic:

Is it supposed to have been some rule that lightsabers must be held to be activated? People accuse TLJ of adding or breaking rules established by previous materials. But I want to know if Ren turning on Luke’s saber without touching it is one of them.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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DominicCobb said:

Had no idea this site was filled with so many MRA types. What am I even doing here?

Why not give admiral Ackbar to steer the ship into those destroyers? A character we love.
Instead give it to a random gender fluid studies profesor with a pink hair and that is her only role.

Its quite obvious politics are in new star wars.

Assimilate THIS!

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DominicCobb said:

Had no idea this site was filled with so many MRA types. What am I even doing here?

Same. I’m seriously considering shopping around for another community. I remember thinking it was bad when TFA came out, but it just keeps getting worse with every new movie.

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I have followed this thread with great interest.

I’ve especially appreciated the posts by Wexter and Yoda is [My] Father. There’s a lot more being said than the movie is bad because things are the same and/or different. I agree with the reasons for why this was a letdown as a Star Wars film.

Like I said, I enjoyed the experience of TLJ - even though it had plotholes bigger than the second Death Star; the story concept was extremely dull; most character actions/stories were for nothing; and the humor at times was atrocious. It was an exciting movie despite all that.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

I have followed this thread with great interest.

I’ve especially appreciated the posts by Wexter and Yoda is [My] Father.

Cheers! 😃

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Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

For TLJ to take a turn different than the TFA suggested is not torpedoing the foundation of the story.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

Had no idea this site was filled with so many MRA types. What am I even doing here?

Same. I’m seriously considering shopping around for another community. I remember thinking it was bad when TFA came out, but it just keeps getting worse with every new movie.

It’s really bad this time. And sad, I sometimes like this site.

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chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

TLJ starts exactly where TFA ended. Except it goes for something completely different in terms of themes and supposedly the story. It continues to mirror the OT, though.

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Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

TLJ starts exactly where TFA ended. Except it goes for something completely different in terms of themes and supposedly the story. It continues to mirror the OT, though.

If Episode 9 picks up right when 8 left off. Then this trilogy will take place over what several weeks? A couple of months maybe?

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Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

TLJ starts exactly where TFA ended. Except it goes for something completely different in terms of themes and supposedly the story.

Yes. That’s why it’s good. It throws unexpected twists into the works to keep the story from being obvious.

It continues to mirror the OT, though.

No it doesn’t. It makes you think it will but then it suddenly changes tack.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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DominicCobb said:

Had no idea this site was filled with so many MRA types. What am I even doing here?

Take me with you

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chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

TLJ starts exactly where TFA ended. Except it goes for something completely different in terms of themes and supposedly the story.

Yes. That’s why it’s good. It throws unexpected twists into the works to keep the story from being obvious.

It continues to mirror the OT, though.

No it doesn’t. It makes you think it will but then it suddenly changes tack.

I think we already had this conversation. Agree to disagree.

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Once a writer said:

Gibbon tells us that in the arab book par excellence, the Quran, there are no camels; I believe that were it to be any doubt about the Quran’s authenticity, this absence of camels would suffice to prove it to be truly arab.

What’s implied is clear, you just don’t even find relatable the things that pertain to your quotidian world. Tales about magical castles imply that that age is past. The western amusement for what’s diverse only proves how at the very core that is a false expectation and something that is not true to the actual situation of things. Look how open we are, we have black people be protagonists only means that they are just not that open and that its made on a worse purpose.

Those who are left behind due to their skin color or race just won’t have an easier life because a fictional story gestated by those responsible of their sufferings somehow “represents them”.

The casting of Finn, if it happened as it’s said to have happened is a good example of true diversity: you have a character written and have no idea of what his skin color or race is supposed to be, and cast the best performance. Diversity in the film is in that case the natural byproduct of openness in the writing of the movie.

Not the same about deliberately having the male characters fail. Or pushing decissions before the casting.

Wanna make a truly diversity rooted film? Right. Write about characters and make unisex casts, and define on the casting, based on the actor/tress giving the best performance the gender and race of the character. Otherwise diversity my ass. It’s just design.

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chyron8472 said:

Wexter said:

chyron8472 said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

Kylo should have been in some “different” organization to start this trilogy, not just Empire 2.

This is true. If anything, I don’t give TLJ guff for throwing out ideas TFA set up. I’d more readily give TFA guff for setting them up in the first place since they weren’t all that great anyway.

Your film will not be made stronger if it torpedoes the foundation it is supposed to be building on. Even if the foundation is flawed.

But it doesn’t. TFA is not the foundation. The OT is. TLJ does not torpedo the OT.

For TLJ to take a turn different than the TFA suggested is not torpedoing the foundation of the story.

It torpedoes TFA, it torpedoes the characters from OT and makes fun of both

Luke doesnt do anything even after
he gets his lightsaber
he learns Han was murdered
he learns Leia is in a coma
and he tries to kill a teen nephew

everything in this movie is a comic relief, like RedLetterMedia said; was the director trolling the fans???

Assimilate THIS!

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Wow, Frink is still around!

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord

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I now wonder whether if they did a movie based on Raiders Of The Lost Ark, except the protagonist uses an umbrella instead of a whip and actually fails to find the Ark, people would still think it is different and unexpected.

And yes, I am aware that this is a huge hyperbole. Just trying to get the point across.

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The Rashômon plot of the Luke/Kylo Wake Up scene is the meat of the movie. I’d love it, if it was done in a competent film.

I need to rewatch this movie with Po/Derm/Leia/Finn/Rose completely cut.

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Wexter said:

I now wonder whether if they did a movie based on Raiders Of The Lost Ark, except the protagonist uses an umbrella instead of a whip and actually fails to find the Ark, people would still think it is different and unexpected.

And yes, I am aware that this is a huge hyperbole. Just trying to get the point across.

Wouldn’t it be crazy if they made that movie but in it Indy totally failed and had no impact on the climax

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Wexter said:

I now wonder whether if they did a movie based on Raiders Of The Lost Ark, except the protagonist uses an umbrella instead of a whip and actually fails to find the Ark, people would still think it is different and unexpected.

And yes, I am aware that this is a huge hyperbole. Just trying to get the point across.

Lol. At least I can see we are both having the same level of difficulty understanding each other’s positions. 😋

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DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

I now wonder whether if they did a movie based on Raiders Of The Lost Ark, except the protagonist uses an umbrella instead of a whip and actually fails to find the Ark, people would still think it is different and unexpected.

And yes, I am aware that this is a huge hyperbole. Just trying to get the point across.

Wouldn’t it be crazy if they made that movie but in it Indy totally failed and had no impact on the climax

I see what you did there 😃