Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!
You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.
No, I’m very consistent. I’m stating:
In the OT the Force users originally (at least up till 1983) needed to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune.
There’s no evidence in the OT itself, that Force users can read non-Force users minds. This has to be inferred from EU material and movies released after the OT.
The Jedi mind probe is a retcon, that was subsequently prominently featured in TFA. I have no problem with this.
The ST changes the rules by allowing Force users to telepathically commune over much larger distances. I have no problem with this either.
That TLJ applies the ST rules inconsistently. This is a problem for me.
The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.
I don’t ignore canon, but I also don’t ignore how these powers were first introduced to the audience, starting in 1977.
The truth is we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.
I’m fine with introducing new powers as long as these powers are used in a consistent manner in the same movie, and don’t cause inconsistencies in previously released films, that weren’t there before, or can be reasonably explained in-universe.
I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.
The Force powers introduced in the ST are fine by me, but it makes no sense for Snoke to be able to link the minds of Rey and Kylo, allow them to read each other’s minds, see each other and touch each other, and then claim Snoke can’t read Rey’s mind. This is nonsense.
If Snoke can do all these amazing things with the Force from a trillion miles away, including allowing Kylo to read Rey’s mind, and vice versa, he can read Rey’s mind himself, period. The fact that he doesn’t do this to find her and Luke’s location is inconsistent and contrived. It’s that simple. I will still enjoy the movie, as I have, but it’s a movie with flaws, and this is one of the big ones.
I’m pretty sure he reads her mind, doesn’t he? He even talks about dealing with Skywalker after they kill the rebels. Or are you talking about how he should have read her mind while she was still on the island?