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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 28

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TavorX said:

JawsTDS said:

Collipso said:

Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?

Yes, but said by BB-8 in the opening space battle (according to Johnson).

Ha I love that then cause that means they broke at least two conventional SW tropes; a saber on saber duel and a person saying that line, which frankly starts to feel so redundant by this point so I’m glad a beep-boop speaking Droid “said” it this time.

To each their own. Unfortunately, I’m a traditionalist when it comes to Star Wars, so the execution of the line and the lack of Wilhelm scream is really annoying. That being said, it doesn’t make the movie any less great.

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JawsTDS said:

TavorX said:

JawsTDS said:

Collipso said:

Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?

Yes, but said by BB-8 in the opening space battle (according to Johnson).

Ha I love that then cause that means they broke at least two conventional SW tropes; a saber on saber duel and a person saying that line, which frankly starts to feel so redundant by this point so I’m glad a beep-boop speaking Droid “said” it this time.

To each their own. Unfortunately, I’m a traditionalist when it comes to Star Wars, so the execution of the line and the lack of Wilhelm scream is really annoying. That being said, it doesn’t make the movie any less great.

I guess a Wilhelm scream in every SW wouldn’t hurt, as it’s just background sound effects that can easily go unnoticed if subtle enough. But when it comes to that famous line, it starts to really stick out way too much because you’re expecting it every time these days and often feels tacked on. Because every OT film had it, then every SW film after had to have it, which frankly I think is lazy and takes away from that line being a more special catch phrase among the original main characters. But at the same time, yeah, it’s not a huge issue but it’s something I personally would like to see less of.

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The Snoke special effect was particularly bad (especially when he walks). Having seen Planet of the Apes prequel part 3 a few weeks ago, the quality gap in SFX between both movies is impressive. For such an expensive movie I’m surprised (TFA also had bad effets - Maz, some cgi rocks and two Falcon shots - but in TLJ it really is an issue).

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Really? I thought Snoke looked great for the most part. I forgot he was all CG in a couple shots, actually.

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ChainsawAsh said:

adywan said:

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One other thing I’ll say about my second viewing:

Puppet Yoda looked a TON better than I remembered from my first viewing, but every time the fire was directly on his face, he looked weird. I don’t think I’ll have a problem with TLJ puppet Yoda the way I did TPM’s.

The thing i did notice though was how the pupeteers squashed his face up way too much when they closed his mouth, which gave him this strange “puffed out cheeks with no mouth” look

Yep, this right here is the only problem that I still have with TLJ Yoda. Noticed it both times, but everything else looked fine (bar the occasionally weird lighting) the second time around.

Same theater both times for me, though…weird.

Do you think Disney will fix this via CGI for the Blu-Ray?

I’m wondering if Disney has or will tinker with their Star Wars movies like Lucas did and change things for the Blu-Ray release?

This is one of the bad things about not having a recording of the theatrical version to be able to compare to the Blu-Ray release.

I don’t know how many times I’ve watched a movie on Blu-Ray, and I know they’ve changed things from what I saw in the theater. i.e. they use different takes and re-edit it. I even remember the movie ‘A Series of Unfortunate Events’ in the theater and the boom mic kept dropping down into the picture all throughout the movie. Then on the DVD release, they must have digitally removed the boom mic as I didn’t see it drop into picture like in the theater.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Really? I thought Snoke looked great for the most part. I forgot he was all CG in a couple shots, actually.

Yeah, me too. I felt he was very intimidating. I was sorry to see him go.

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It’s one shot which is really an issue, the one where he walks to Ren. The close-ups are fine (I say “bad” for a SW standard !).

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MalàStrana said:

It’s one shot which is really an issue, the one where he walks to Ren. The close-ups are fine (I say “bad” for a SW standard !).

it is the walk or gait you are talking about, right? it stuck out to me too, but it very well could be because of his disfigurement. basically, i am not so quick to call it bad or a mistake. but it doesn’t seem natural, that is for sure.

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MalàStrana said:

It’s one shot which is really an issue, the one where he walks to Ren. The close-ups are fine (I say “bad” for a SW standard !).

Thats the only shot in the whole film that he looked a little fake because of the walking. They still haven’t perfected CG characters walking yet. All the closeups on his face were amazing. best CG work on a humanoid face yet

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Thought Snoke was terrific; miles better that TFA.

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Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!

You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.

The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.

In reality we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.

I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.

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adywan said:

The Mind Probe is also a jedi power in canon. Who is to say which one he was talking about? 😉 If someone can say that Luke transmitted his thoughts to Vader, instead of vader reading his mind, then i can say that the mind probe that he was talking about is also the established jedi Mind Probe 😉

And, if we are using wiki, this clears up that Vader was using the mind probe (thus reading Luke’;s mind) in ROTJ 😉
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_probe_(Force_power)

Nice one, Ady! I thought they had you there, but you pulled a rabbit out of a hat!

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adywan said:

best CG work on a humanoid face yet

Does Caesar qualify as “humanoid face” ? If so I would say Caesar is the best I’ve seen yet.

edit: the Caesar from Apes 3, not the one from Apes 1&2.

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I’m really glad that Finn wasn’t annoying in TLJ, other than wearing that stupid water suit scene. I think TFA is a badly edited and directed movie, not counting the bad story. But I also found TFA painfully to watch because Finn was so annoying throughout the whole movie. i.e. like him running around screaming and you also could hear his voice breaking into his British accent.

But I don’t like TLJ, but I think it will be easy to sit and watch multiple of times compared to TFA.

I really wish JJ wasn’t coming back for Episode 9. Really wish they had gotten someone else. But oh well.

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adywan said:

MalàStrana said:

It’s one shot which is really an issue, the one where he walks to Ren. The close-ups are fine (I say “bad” for a SW standard !).

Thats the only shot in the whole film that he looked a little fake because of the walking. They still haven’t perfected CG characters walking yet. All the closeups on his face were amazing. best CG work on a humanoid face yet

Yes, that shot where his arm ‘sashays’ when he walks looks a little off. There is a final close up shot of him dead, with his tongue lolling out slightly. I actually wondered if this particular shot was a model rather than CG? Looking forward to hearing the directors commentary and seeing Making Of docus to find out more.

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Matt.F said:

Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!

You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.

No, I’m very consistent. I’m stating:

  1. In the OT the Force users originally (at least up till 1983) needed to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune.

  2. There’s no evidence in the OT itself, that Force users can read non-Force users minds. This has to be inferred from EU material and movies released after the OT.

  3. The Jedi mind probe is a retcon, that was subsequently prominently featured in TFA. I have no problem with this.

  4. The ST changes the rules by allowing Force users to telepathically commune over much larger distances. I have no problem with this either.

  5. That TLJ applies the ST rules inconsistently. This is a problem for me.

The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.

I don’t ignore canon, but I also don’t ignore how canon evolved, starting in 1977, particulary when inconsistencies are introduced.

The truth is we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.

I’m fine with introducing new powers as long as these powers are used in a consistent manner in the same movie, and don’t cause inconsistencies in previously released films, that weren’t there before, or can be reasonably explained in-universe.

I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.

Perhaps you should restrict yourself to applying psycho analysis to yourself. I don’t need to be told by someone else, what type of fan I am.

The Force powers introduced in the ST are fine by me, but it makes no sense for Snoke to be able to link the minds of Rey and Kylo, allow them to read each other’s minds, see each other and touch each other, and then claim Snoke can’t read Rey’s mind. This is nonsense.

If Snoke can do all these amazing things with the Force from a trillion miles away, including allowing Kylo to read Rey’s mind, and vice versa, he can read Rey’s mind himself, period. The fact that he doesn’t do this to find her and Luke’s location is inconsistent and contrived. It’s that simple. I will still enjoy the movie, as I have, but it’s a movie with flaws, and this is one of the big ones.

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HotRod said:

Watched it again last night

I now fucking love this film!!

HotRod welcome back. I can’t wait to hear how much you hate it after your third viewing.

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DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!

You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.

No, I’m very consistent. I’m stating:

  1. In the OT the Force users originally (at least up till 1983) needed to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune.

  2. There’s no evidence in the OT itself, that Force users can read non-Force users minds. This has to be inferred from EU material and movies released after the OT.

  3. The Jedi mind probe is a retcon, that was subsequently prominently featured in TFA. I have no problem with this.

  4. The ST changes the rules by allowing Force users to telepathically commune over much larger distances. I have no problem with this either.

  5. That TLJ applies the ST rules inconsistently. This is a problem for me.

The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.

I don’t ignore canon, but I also don’t ignore how these powers were first introduced to the audience, starting in 1977.

The truth is we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.

I’m fine with introducing new powers as long as these powers are used in a consistent manner in the same movie, and don’t cause inconsistencies in previously released films, that weren’t there before, or can be reasonably explained in-universe.

I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.

The Force powers introduced in the ST are fine by me, but it makes no sense for Snoke to be able to link the minds of Rey and Kylo, allow them to read each other’s minds, see each other and touch each other, and then claim Snoke can’t read Rey’s mind. This is nonsense.

If Snoke can do all these amazing things with the Force from a trillion miles away, including allowing Kylo to read Rey’s mind, and vice versa, he can read Rey’s mind himself, period. The fact that he doesn’t do this to find her and Luke’s location is inconsistent and contrived. It’s that simple. I will still enjoy the movie, as I have, but it’s a movie with flaws, and this is one of the big ones.

I’m pretty sure he reads her mind, doesn’t he? He even talks about dealing with Skywalker after they kill the rebels. Or are you talking about how he should have read her mind while she was still on the island?

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Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!

You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.

No, I’m very consistent. I’m stating:

  1. In the OT the Force users originally (at least up till 1983) needed to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune.

  2. There’s no evidence in the OT itself, that Force users can read non-Force users minds. This has to be inferred from EU material and movies released after the OT.

  3. The Jedi mind probe is a retcon, that was subsequently prominently featured in TFA. I have no problem with this.

  4. The ST changes the rules by allowing Force users to telepathically commune over much larger distances. I have no problem with this either.

  5. That TLJ applies the ST rules inconsistently. This is a problem for me.

The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.

I don’t ignore canon, but I also don’t ignore how these powers were first introduced to the audience, starting in 1977.

The truth is we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.

I’m fine with introducing new powers as long as these powers are used in a consistent manner in the same movie, and don’t cause inconsistencies in previously released films, that weren’t there before, or can be reasonably explained in-universe.

I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.

The Force powers introduced in the ST are fine by me, but it makes no sense for Snoke to be able to link the minds of Rey and Kylo, allow them to read each other’s minds, see each other and touch each other, and then claim Snoke can’t read Rey’s mind. This is nonsense.

If Snoke can do all these amazing things with the Force from a trillion miles away, including allowing Kylo to read Rey’s mind, and vice versa, he can read Rey’s mind himself, period. The fact that he doesn’t do this to find her and Luke’s location is inconsistent and contrived. It’s that simple. I will still enjoy the movie, as I have, but it’s a movie with flaws, and this is one of the big ones.

I’m pretty sure he reads her mind, doesn’t he? He even talks about dealing with Skywalker after they kill the rebels. Or are you talking about how he should have read her mind while she was still on the island?

Yes, exactly. Snoke wants to find and destroy Luke Skywalker. To do this he enacts an elaborate scheme to connect Rey and Kylo’s minds, to convince Rey that if she comes to Kylo, he will turn back to the light side. However, this is a ruse, because Snoke wants Rey to reveal Luke’s location. However, since he was able to allow Kylo and Rey to read each other’s minds, see and even touch each other (influence their visual cortex, and cerebrum), he should have been able to read Rey’s mind directly as he did in the throne room. He could thus have immediately discovered Luke’s location, while Rey was still on the island, and send Kylo and his troops to destroy both.

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DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

TavorX said:

Novus_Opiate said:
He says the temptation came over him but for a brief moment. He wasn’t going to actually do it.

Yeah I get that; what I don’t get is why it even came to that point to begin with? I mean we have to consider, it wasn’t simply a tempting thought, but those thoughts actually compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and ignite it! That’s so irrational of Luke. Sure, I bet killing Kylo is a thought would had crossed anyone’s mind if they learned Kylo’s taint of the darkside, but this is Luke here. I’d buy Luke was outside of Kylo’s hut, stewing back and forth of what to do and how to confront him; however again, it’s beyond me to think this temptation compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and stop himself from committing the murder at the last second.

dahmage said:
Luke’s final version and what is generally accepted as the true version has Luke go in to read kylo Ren’s mind. After seeing kylo rens darkness he has what he describes as a very brief moment of thinking that it would be better to kill him. And without thinking ignited his lightsaber and immediately, immediately regretted that decision.
No, again, it makes no sense. Luke in ROTJ was struggling between whether to kill Vader or redeem him, and yes, it came to that point where he was tempted to really finish Vader off, but he came to senses to not fall for the bait. So all these years later, that lesson he learned was for nothing…?

I don’t get all these complaints that boil down to “Luke would never do that” (including disappearing in the first place) when we basically saw nothing that happened between the end of ROTJ and TFA/TLJ. People change, especially those that have suffered trauma. It’s the same complaint about Han that makes no sense either.

Sorry, but in movies you don’t change people’s characters off-screen unless it’s logical. Luke growing wiser and more confident between TESB and ROTJ is logical. Luke going from believing in his Nazi father to contemplating his nephews murder is not. Such a change of character needs to be explained more thoroughly. Given that so many don’t buy the way Luke behaves, I think it’s clear this part of the plot is underdeveloped.

I think his rash behavior in the OT and the fact that what he saw in Ben’s mind was traumatic would cause him to make the mistake of briefly “acting on instinct”. Doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility. Rey had to learn these hard truths about both Luke and Kylo.

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DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

Dre, you’re trying to say that Snoke not being able to read Rey’s mind whilst she’s on Jedi Island is a plothole?!

You’re frustratingly inconsistent. One minute you’re arguing a case that Force users need to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune. The next you’re saying that Poe having his mind read during interrogation by Kylo isn’t canon, and only Force Users can read other Force Users minds - even when you’ve been shown to be wrong about that.

No, I’m very consistent. I’m stating:

  1. In the OT the Force users originally (at least up till 1983) needed to be geographically near each other to telepathically commune.

  2. There’s no evidence in the OT itself, that Force users can read non-Force users minds. This has to be inferred from EU material and movies released after the OT.

  3. The Jedi mind probe is a retcon, that was subsequently prominently featured in TFA. I have no problem with this.

  4. The ST changes the rules by allowing Force users to telepathically commune over much larger distances. I have no problem with this either.

  5. That TLJ applies the ST rules inconsistently. This is a problem for me.

The truth is you’ve devised some personal ‘rule system’ for how force powers work, it ignores actual canon and makes sense to no one but yourself, but you cant seem to grasp that.

I don’t ignore canon, but I also don’t ignore how these powers were first introduced to the audience, starting in 1977.

The truth is we are shown new Force powers on pretty much a movie by movie basis. If you’re going to be adamant and say that only the Force powers you saw in ANH in 1977 are valid and all the rest are bogus then you’re going to be disappointed by every new Star Wars movie that comes out, because I guarantee the Force will evolve in every episode because audiences thrive on ‘the new’. The force powers shown in The Last Jedi don’t contradict those that have gone before, in fact the whole approach to the Force as a naturalistic elemental power rather than one wielded exclusively by those born to be Jedi (“the vanity of the Jedi to think it belonged to them”) is one of the great successes of The Last Jedi.

I’m fine with introducing new powers as long as these powers are used in a consistent manner in the same movie, and don’t cause inconsistencies in previously released films, that weren’t there before, or can be reasonably explained in-universe.

I suspect you will reply to this as you seem determined to have the last word, but for me you are the type of Star Wars fan that nitpicks the fantasy to death - and sadly it appears you have killed the enjoyment of it for yourself.

The Force powers introduced in the ST are fine by me, but it makes no sense for Snoke to be able to link the minds of Rey and Kylo, allow them to read each other’s minds, see each other and touch each other, and then claim Snoke can’t read Rey’s mind. This is nonsense.

If Snoke can do all these amazing things with the Force from a trillion miles away, including allowing Kylo to read Rey’s mind, and vice versa, he can read Rey’s mind himself, period. The fact that he doesn’t do this to find her and Luke’s location is inconsistent and contrived. It’s that simple. I will still enjoy the movie, as I have, but it’s a movie with flaws, and this is one of the big ones.

I’m pretty sure he reads her mind, doesn’t he? He even talks about dealing with Skywalker after they kill the rebels. Or are you talking about how he should have read her mind while she was still on the island?

Yes, exactly. Snoke wants to find and destroy Luke Skywalker. To do this he enacts an elaborate scheme to connect Rey and Kylo’s minds, to convince Rey that if she comes to Kylo, he will turn back to the light side. However, this is a ruse, because Snoke wants Rey to reveal Luke’s location. However, since he was able to allow Kylo and Rey to read each other’s minds, see and even touch each other (influence their visual cortex, and cerebrum), he should have been able to read Rey’s mind directly as he did in the throne room. He could thus have immediately discovered Luke’s location, while Rey was still on the island, and send Kylo and his troops to destroy both.

I don’t mean to seem like i am jumping in here, but i find myself wondering if they really can read each other’s minds when connected via the force. I don’t remember that ever happening? They saw each other’s 'future’when they touched hands… that is all i come up with.

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also, wasn’t the point of connecting their minds, to trick Rey into coming to him? finding luke from Rey was just a part 2 of the plan, not the whole plan. Rey was someone to be dealt with on her own based on her force use in TFA, snoke knew this.

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Novus_Opiate said:

DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

TavorX said:

Novus_Opiate said:
He says the temptation came over him but for a brief moment. He wasn’t going to actually do it.

Yeah I get that; what I don’t get is why it even came to that point to begin with? I mean we have to consider, it wasn’t simply a tempting thought, but those thoughts actually compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and ignite it! That’s so irrational of Luke. Sure, I bet killing Kylo is a thought would had crossed anyone’s mind if they learned Kylo’s taint of the darkside, but this is Luke here. I’d buy Luke was outside of Kylo’s hut, stewing back and forth of what to do and how to confront him; however again, it’s beyond me to think this temptation compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and stop himself from committing the murder at the last second.

dahmage said:
Luke’s final version and what is generally accepted as the true version has Luke go in to read kylo Ren’s mind. After seeing kylo rens darkness he has what he describes as a very brief moment of thinking that it would be better to kill him. And without thinking ignited his lightsaber and immediately, immediately regretted that decision.
No, again, it makes no sense. Luke in ROTJ was struggling between whether to kill Vader or redeem him, and yes, it came to that point where he was tempted to really finish Vader off, but he came to senses to not fall for the bait. So all these years later, that lesson he learned was for nothing…?

I don’t get all these complaints that boil down to “Luke would never do that” (including disappearing in the first place) when we basically saw nothing that happened between the end of ROTJ and TFA/TLJ. People change, especially those that have suffered trauma. It’s the same complaint about Han that makes no sense either.

Sorry, but in movies you don’t change people’s characters off-screen unless it’s logical. Luke growing wiser and more confident between TESB and ROTJ is logical. Luke going from believing in his Nazi father to contemplating his nephews murder is not. Such a change of character needs to be explained more thoroughly. Given that so many don’t buy the way Luke behaves, I think it’s clear this part of the plot is underdeveloped.

I think his rash behavior in the OT and the fact that what he saw in Ben’s mind was traumatic would cause him to make the mistake of briefly “acting on instinct”. Doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility.

I’m not saying it’s out of the realm of possibility. I’m saying it could have been developed better. Luke doesn’t just have the idea float around in his mind, he activates his lightsaber and contemplates killing a sleeping boy who hasn’t yet committed any crimes.