The more you think about it, the more TLJ falls apart at the seams. Let’s look at Snoke’s brilliant plan. He’s able to link Kylo and Rey, and plant manipulated visions in her mind, right? This in of itself creates a host of story issues:
Snoke has never met Rey. How is he able to link her mind with Kylo if he doesn’t know who or where she is?
If he is somehow able to find her, why doesn’t he know her location? Why go through this elaborate scheme to get her to him, if he can just send an armada to Ach-To and get both her and Luke?
Even if he can only find her in the Force, and not in the physical world, why can’t he just read her mind to find out where she is? He can give her manipulated visions, and Kylo can see who her parents are when they are connected. Snoke is able to instantly read her mind in the throne room and finds out, Luke wants to die. Snoke even jokes about it. Yet, despite these awesome powers, he’s not smart enough to read her mind while she’s with Luke to find out where she is.
This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.
I guess you haven’t seen any of the other movies? Force ghosts, voices, visions, telepathic long distance conversations have been happening throughout. Suddenly it happens in a film that you don’t happen to like and now you choose to call bullshit. I’m sorry that you didn’t like the movie mate, but for gods sake dry your eyes princess and give it a rest.
Yes, and I have no problem with Force ghosts, voices, visions, and telepathic “long” distance conversations. However, the OT applied these things in a consistent manner. When Luke and Vader had their telepathic conversations, they were allways in relatively close proximity. The moment Luke and the gang shot off into hyperspace in TESB, their connection was lost. Vader was able to sense Obi-Wan’s presence on board the Death Star, but not when he was hiding on Tatooine. Vader was able to sense Luke was traveling towards Endor, because he was in close proximity, and Luke acknowledged he was endangering the mission. Additionally Obi-Wan warned Luke to bury his feelings deep down, because it could be made to serve the Emperor. Luke struggles to hide his feelings from Vader, and he finds out about Leia in the throne room, when they’re both in the same space, not across the galaxy. Jedi can feel each other’s presence over long distances, but cannot find their locations. They can also actively try to read someone’s mind if they are in close enough proximity, but the other will know, and can resist the attempt, if they have enough control over the Force.
TFA established Kylo could read Rey’s mind, and find out where Luke is based on the fact that she has seen the map. She is instantly aware of this, and resists him. This is still consistent with the OT, so far so good. In TLJ Snoke is obviously far more powerful, and easily reads Rey’s mind, instantly knowing Luke’s desire to die. He’s able to link her mind with Kylo’s despite not knowing her, and without either of them being aware of him, and feed her false information, but somehow forgets to read her mind to get the information he’s been seeking for years. It just doesn’t make sense. There’s no denying it.
Suddenly it happens in a film that you don’t happen to like and now you choose to call bullshit. I’m sorry that you didn’t like the movie mate, but for gods sake dry your eyes princess and give it a rest.
Please stop with the personal attacks, and stick to discussing the films. You want to accept these plot contrivances, fine, good for you. However, let’s not pretend these same contrivances exist in the OT, because they don’t. You want to point to a similar contrivance in the OT, please give it your best shot. However, until you’re able to find one, stop this weak deflecting of criticism directed at obvious plot inconsistencies by making vague references to the concepts of Force ghosts, voices, visions, and telepathic “long” distance conversations. It’s not about the use of these concepts, it’s how they were used that is at the heart of the problems created by TLJ. RJ wants to have his cake and eat it. He wants to show Snoke is far more powerful than any Force user we’ve thusfar met, but in order for his plot to work, Snoke has to wear the idiot hat on multiple occassions.